2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
It's kinda more depressing that there is a 3rd party candidate polling pretty well, and it is this dips--- nut who has name recognition from his dad.
The GOP and DNC have all kinds of mechanisms to make sure that their nominees are horrible. A 3rd party candidate could be just about anyone. And this is the dude we're rallying behind.
The depressing thing about RKJ is that in some way he managed to take the worst of the GOP and the worst of the democratic party as it's platform lol.
Radical senseless antivaxing, radical environmentalism, tankie horseshoe positions in geopolitics (what the radical right and the radical left agree upon), but a love of the regulatory state in general (except for vaccines).
Instead of being a centrist he is an ultra radical basically for people who think GOP and Dem aren't radical enough lol
I’m talking about actual policies that have far ranging impact, not proclamations and rhetoric. I don’t feel that MAGA caters to the rich either - it fancies itself more of a populist movement afaik
I linked hundreds of policies that have impact zero rhetoric. GOP policy caters to the rich, they literally use the poor. You've got it exactly backwards: MAGA rhetoric is populist and policy is not.
I linked hundreds of policies that have impact zero rhetoric. GOP policy caters to the rich, they literally use the poor. You've got it exactly backwards: MAGA rhetoric is populist and policy is not.
You linked hundreds of policies that have only impact on trans people, not homosexuals. So why did you use "anti LGBTQ+" instead of anti-trans? yes the right is anti-trans activism and completly disagrees with the left about what trans rights are (for us there are none, trans don't gain any right by being trans and no one in society has to do anything to accomodate their trans-ness), that is known. And polls of voters agree with the right about this.
If you want to claim "it would be better" if 11 years old can access puberty blockers if they feel like they are of the opposite sex, or that people with dicks have a right to compete in sports agains women, keep doing that, if you want to claim it's a "right" to have access to those drugs at 11, or to partecipate in opposite sex sports, or to be jailed in opposite sex prisons, read the constitution again, or the , you know, universal declaration of human rights, and find if you are correct or not about that.
As for MAGA policies, some are pro rich some aren't. Tax cuts are pro rich ofc. Tariffs aren't, for one rich supplier of a good that gains with tariffs there are a ton of rich consumers (including rich owners of companies that use that good in the production process) that are worse off. Tariffs do not help rich people in aggregate.
Anti-immigration policies don't help the rich. The rich don't pay the costs of excessive, unfiltered immigration. They don't lose service access because of overcrowding, as they don't use public services to begin with. The schools their kids go in don't go down in quality because non-english speaking kids flood them. Their neighborhoods don't get more dangerous because jobless , skill-less immigrants flock there. Their wages don't go down because of competition for the same jobs (at least at the beginning), because rich people either have jobs protected by regulatory barriers, or don't have normal jobs to begin with (being rich usually means being able to live very well without ever working again).
The companies rich people own lose with less immigration. They can't fill jobs as well as before. They have to give raises and compete for scarcer workers. That applies both for low skilled immigration and for high skilled immigration. Very rich people want open borderism, it's blatantly better for them from all points of view and they don't pay the costs of it.
After gay marriage became legalized GOP shifted from officially hating gays to hating trans. It's just a new segment to hate. I don't care what segment of the minority is impacted by each law, only that GOP is creating laws to hurt people. And hundreds of them.
GOP reduces taxes for rich people, increases spending, increases national debt, and simultaneously cuts public programs that people rely on. This is bad for everyone, but in their near sighted eyes benefits rich because they pay less taxes and therefore have less money stolen from them.
After gay marriage became legalized GOP shifted from officially hating gays to hating trans. It's just a new segment to hate. I don't care what segment of the minority is impacted by each law, only that GOP is creating laws to hurt people. And hundreds of them.
GOP reduces taxes for rich people, increases spending, increases national debt, and simultaneously cuts public programs that people rely on. This is bad for everyone, but in their nea
Curious how you don't address tariffs and immigration, basically the pillars of MAGA nativism
There are endless issues with the modern GOP. The die hards literally self identify as domestic terrorists who's main platform plank is harming libs.
Regarding immigration, using people as political pawns is awful. GOP don't want immigration reform because they need a subclass to drive down wages and provide labor.
Tariffs don't even appear on the radar as there are many other issues causing much more harm.
The gop that cares about anything other than dear leader is largely silent. Right now the most important issues for the right are trump, trump, and trump.
The gop that cares about anything other than dear leader is largely silent. Right now the most important issues for the right are trump, trump, and trump.
Trump doesn't care too much about DEI, about trans, and didn't want to ban TikTok, just to mention a couple of things GOP care about and legislated about
GOP reduces taxes for rich people, increases spending, increases national debt, and simultaneously cuts public programs that people rely on. This is bad for everyone, but in their near sighted eyes benefits rich because they pay less taxes and therefore have less money stolen from them.
The biggest change to the tax law that trump did was double the standard deduction. That has very little impact to the rich and is a massive tax cut for the poor and lower middle class.
You can't seriously believe that repubs will increase spending more than dems. Almost every dem runs on the platform of more gov't spending and increasing the size of gov't while most repubs run on the opposite.
How can you say repubs want to increase spending ("GOP ... increases spending") and in the same sentence complain that they are cutting gov't spending ("and simultaneously cuts public programs that people rely on")?
The biggest change to the tax law that trump did was double the standard deduction. That has very little impact to the rich and is a massive tax cut for the poor and lower middle class.
You can't seriously believe that repubs will increase spending more than dems. Almost every dem runs on the platform of more gov't spending and increasing the size of gov't while most repubs run on the opposite.
How can you say repubs want to increase spendin
It's not super useful to go by what politicians say -- at least not in this manner. You can't take them literally.
GOP increases debt far than Democrats in the past 40 years and it's not close. Every single GOP presidential administration since Clinton has doubled the debt. The pattern seems to be: GOP puts the country into the shitter, Dems fix it, repeat.
Cutting public programs does not mean deficit or debt reduction and can definitely be a net negative for the system.
It's not super useful to go by what politicians say -- at least not in this manner. You can't take them literally.
GOP increases debt far than Democrats in the past 40 years and it's not close. Every single GOP presidential administration since Clinton has doubled the debt. The pattern seems to be: GOP puts the country into the shitter, Dems fix it, repeat.
Cutting public programs does not mean deficit or debt reduction and can definitely be
Yup +1
Might be the time to post those 3-4 graph (about the debt , m2, etc) from 1980 that baham always ignores which totally obliterate his narrative that democrats spend more and create more debt then republicans .
I linked hundreds of policies that have impact zero rhetoric. GOP policy caters to the rich, they literally use the poor. You've got it exactly backwards: MAGA rhetoric is populist and policy is not.
In the broadest scale of the political spectrum, how far apart do you believe Dem and Repub policies actually are?
In the broadest scale of the political spectrum, how far apart do you believe Dem and Repub policies actually are?
Broadly: democrats align conservative democratic, republicans conservative authoritarian.
Democrats have remained unchanged, maybe more socialist on the fringes. Republicans have changed and shifted dramatically towards authoritarianism -- and most recently whatever MAGA wants to destroy. Given the 2020 results, that might be America.
This election really isn't about policy. It's about Trump.
My wife does home health. She's in people's houses all day.
Most of her patients rarely leave the home. They literally sit and watch Fox News all day. They obsess over trump and biden. As hard as she tries, she can't veer the conversation away from that. It's all they talk about.
My favorite was a man that told her Biden was trying to outlaw cash so nobody could buy a gun.
Yesterday, the lady went on and on about the judge was treating Trump very badly and it was unfair. She also tossed in that her son lost his job because of Biden.
These aren't one offs. Probably 75% of her patients fit this description.
It's not super useful to go by what politicians say -- at least not in this manner. You can't take them literally.
GOP increases debt far than Democrats in the past 40 years and it's not close. Every single GOP presidential administration since Clinton has doubled the debt. The pattern seems to be: GOP puts the country into the shitter, Dems fix it, repeat.
Cutting public programs does not mean deficit or debt reduction and can definitely be
Yup +1
Might be the time to post those 3-4 graph (about the debt , m2, etc) from 1980 that baham always ignores which totally obliterate his narrative that democrats spend more and create more debt then republicans .
lolwat and montreal claiming that stopping a battleship is the same as stopping a car - what is new?
I have read a lot of your all's posts and yet I am still left in awe that either of you can think that we feel 100% of the economic effects of a new policy as soon as it passes and 0% of those effects when a new president is elected.
This election really isn't about policy. It's about Trump.
My wife does home health. She's in people's houses all day.
Most of her patients rarely leave the home. They literally sit and watch Fox News all day. They obsess over trump and biden. As hard as she tries, she can't veer the conversation away from that. It's all they talk about.
My favorite was a man that told her Biden was trying to outlaw cash so nobody could buy a gun.
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No doubt that there are whack jobs who obsess over how great or evil trump or biden are. I am sure this is far more prevalent in people who are confined to being inside their homes.
Meanwhile....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-maga-elec...
KS added:
The Republican National Committee’s senior counsel for election integrity, Christina Bobb, was arraigned Tuesday at a Maricopa County, Arizona, courthouse, pleading not guilty to charges that she was part of a plan to overturn the 2020 presidential election and keep Donald Trump in the White House.
lolwat and montreal claiming that stopping a battleship is the same as stopping a car - what is new?
I have read a lot of your all's posts and yet I am still left in awe that either of you can think that we feel 100% of the economic effects of a new policy as soon as it passes and 0% of those effects when a new president is elected.
No doubt that there are whack jobs who obsess over how great or evil trump or biden are. I am sure this is far
Lol !
At least u have a quote about this ?
He’ll why don’t u ever post any chart of any data at all to sustain your insane economic takes ?
Ho yes cause u can’t !!
It’s ok I guess I have to post those 3-4 charts again just for you …..
Here u go baham .
Debt to gdp
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEG...
Clearly the vast majority of big increase of debt to gdp is under republicans ….by far !
Budget deficit to gdp
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSG...
Again clearly we see deficit under democrats are less then deficit from republicans .
It’s actually pretty telling the last 45 years .
All line going up are under democrats (lower deficit) and all line going down (deficit increases ) are under republicans…
Baham recked again . Ho yes baham got absolutely no data to support one word of his spew about anything …
The problem isn’t democrats are not at fault , they are in some circumstances .
What is insane is baham totally absolving all republican actions and putting the blame on democrats lol.
in a huge surprise to no one with a brain, nikki haley has kissed the ring.
Broadly: democrats align conservative democratic, republicans conservative authoritarian.
Democrats have remained unchanged, maybe more socialist on the fringes. Republicans have changed and shifted dramatically towards authoritarianism -- and most recently whatever MAGA wants to destroy. Given the 2020 results, that might be America.
You didn’t answer the question.
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Trump, courting black voters, on Thursday at a rally invited rappers Sheff G and Sleepy Hallow up onto the stage with him
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