ex-President Trump

I never watch cnn or msnbc. Like, never. But I do see the things trump says and his posts on truth social, not to mention everything hes said and done up to now. I don't need anyone else to tell me how horrible he is. He does a fine job all on his own.

In theory this doesn’t belong in a trump thread but I would argue as he accelerated the process it absolutely does

This alito flag bullshit really goes to show the game is over and that American ‘democracy’ as intended by the constitution is a failed idea that relies on even the pretense that everyone plays fair when nobody does

The idea that alito should or would recuse himself from any case involving trump or J6 is hilarious. There’s no oversight or consequence. Justices serve til they resign or die. Does anybody with any modicum of intelligence actually believe alito or Thomas will recuse themselves from any case where they clearly have demonstrated bias that compromises their partiality? Come on now

And the instant the tilt of the court leans even slightly back to liberal the next Republican president will just pack the court cuz they can. We live in a time where one side pretends rules matter and one side time and time and again has proven the rules are whatever they say they are and any lever that can be used will be used

It’s pretty much game over. Even if trump doesn’t win in November it just takes one MAGA acolyte with authoritarian tendencies to tear it all down cuz nothing is in place to prevent it as long as the right people are in the right place to aid it along

Fwiw CNN these days is far less antitrump than 4 years ago.

I was quite shocked when I occasionally read an article here or there by them (for ex on Trump trials) which was actually balanced and stayed on facts.

I don't watch them though

Are those 100k people in the room with us right now?

A president can only pack the court if he has both the house and the Senate as well.

FDR did that when the court tried to preserve the constitution and got away with several illegal actions because of that (including the internment of hundreds of thousands of citizens for racist reasons).

If america didn't end with that why should it end this round? Maybe it was never what you thought it was though.

Now that cnn speak the way u like , it isn’t bias anymore ?
Hopefully they will talk about climate change and COVID next ….

It doesn't speak the way I like, they don't endorse basically any of my political preferences lol.

But they lie far less at least on the topics I am following. That's good enough.

MSNBC is insane though.

Whoops ... wrong forum. Meant for religion forum. My bad didn't mean to misdirect the subject.

both Biden and Trump attract negativity more than candidates usually do , both have very high disapproval rates, both elicit in general almost nauseated reactions from many people when their names are mentioned.

trump has some core, smallish, constituency of actually very vocal worshippers, Biden lacks that.

I might be the rare person who doesn't particularly dislike either of them and I think america will be fine with either of them, it's more about not having a congress that will rubber-stamp bullshit that scares me.

I would like a Biden presidency with a republican senate, or a trump presidency with at least a democratic house, I dislike trifecta as concentration of power is always dangerous so given the Senate and the house have good chances of being republican, I'd prefer Biden to win.

a locked legislative process where few laws get passed is basically always better than a trifecta even if the trifecta is in the hand of people that vaguely align with my preferences a little more

Really.

This stupid bluff just demonstrates you know your position has no substance. Fascism is anti-American. It's a chilling thing to wake up to the idea that what we thought were little political games has landed us in bed with fascism. From that realization there a few options: deny it, realize it and stay, realize it and run. The percentage in each category is beyond revealing about human nature.

In the little election denial charade charging stealing of the election, what percentage of those arraigned and indicted for election crimes and fraud are in each party?

ye really and he needs 60 senators, or 50 willing to nuke the legislative filibuster, gl with that

you guys risked actual fascism like us for a while during covid. you behaved better than many of us elsewhere and the true violations of basic human rights were very limited in the USA.

that was the test and your country passed it better than most.

saying you are in bed with fascism currently or in the near future is utter non sense.

both Trump and Biden had the perfect excuse to do massive fascist power grabs and they mostly didn't.

Trump even had 2, with COVID and with the BLM mostly peaceful summer of terror.

Biden had COVID again with a strong calling from his side to do a lot of fascism.

they both stayed mostly within the framing of the constitution and only acted where allowed. borders, planes, federal buildings. Biden stretched it more by attempting regulatory abuses (as expected by a democrat) but SCOTUS swiftly put him in place by lolling at the OSHA vax mandate.

the system dealt perfectly with fascist risk.

Please give me some examples of "fascism", instead of using a broad term that literally means nothing. What exactly did President Trump while he was in office do that suggests he's a "fascist"?

And for the other posters above, I agree with them more than 100%. Trump is literally just a front who means nothing at all, as much (if not a lot more) as pResident byden is a front to the global corrupt satanic deep state (who WERE (key word) planning to unite in a global communist government where you own nothing and be happy) but the major difference is President Trump (who a LOT of generals today have more respet for than byden who I can happily name) is on the side of freedom and free will (literally) and byden is on the side of a satanic cult that wants to further enslave the world. Yes all elections were rigged but would you rather it get rigged by the good guys or the bad guys?

The 14 characteristics of fascism ("Fascism Anyone?, Dr. Lawrence Britt "Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20 - fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common):

I put an X next to the ones that were clearly and prominently displayed during Trump's presidency.

[X]1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are
flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

[X] 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases
because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.

[X[ 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious
minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

[X] 4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic
agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

[X] 5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more
rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

[X] 6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or
sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

[X] 7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

[X] 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and
terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies
or actions.

[X] 9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually
beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

[X] 10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely
suppressed .

[X] 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

[X] 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even
forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

[X] 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and
even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

[X] 14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media.
Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

You're giving me the definition but I asked what he did specifically (such as signing executive orders, etc.) that is such a "danger" to our way of life? You're hero pResident signed e.o's to open up the boarder to hundreds of thousands of military aged men who are being shipped to every city in the country (doesn't that alert you at all?) Could this be a plan to take over a country from the inside out? (it's in the range of the hand without a doubt). How many more examples do you need? I haven't heard one yet.

The verdict is in. Weasel face Garland is insane.

Strange .
Isn’t the republicans lately that voted against a good bill about the borders with republicans participating in the elaboration of that policy .

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/sena...

Doesn’t seem republicans want to solve the border problems for political reason .
No caring about actual Americans suffering from it … not surpring !

But what surprising is you not knowing this , someone being so well informed about all the hidden form of political ploy …..

They wanted to include billions and billions more dollars to Ukraine "in exchange" for more boarder protection, and there are just as many if not more corrupt bought off and controlled republicans as there are democrats such as lindsy graham (one of the most corrupt in the republican party). Again, this is not about one president vs the other. It's much more about who's controlling them and what do they stand for.

if you need examples of those things, you aren't paying attention at all.

It's ok, I won't pressure you or anything for one example of how Trump used his presidency against the American people. It's kinda like when a reporter interviewed a few students at a protest in NY a couple weeks ago and were asked what they're protesting about, they couldn't even answer the question. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's evidence of ignorance.

Again ….. it was a by partisan bill !
You know what that means yes ?
Both parties did a bill and almost all republicans it’s anyway against their own troops that created the bill because trump told them too ….
U get that right ?
So all that bs of billions means nothing because republicans were already at the source of the bill .

But nice try .
Hopefully when u complain about Biden next time , u can leave out the nonsense about democrats not caring about the borders ….

It's ok. Literally no one here takes you seriously or believes what you think matters in the slightest. What I comment in response to your posts is for others' enjoyment and has nothing to do with trying to talk to you.

Here's some fun reading for you, though.

1. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/2...
2. https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/
3. https://www.citizensforethics.org/report...
4. https://www.americanprogress.org/article...
5. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politi...
6. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications...
7. https://www.jcs.mil/Media/News/News-Disp...
8. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/bri...
9. https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-ta...
10. https://cwa-union.org/trumps-anti-worker...
11. https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/cont...
12. https://www.vox.com/2020-presidential-el...
13. https://democracyforward.org/work/sideba...
14. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake...