Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Intersectionality might be a concept that comes to conclusions with which people might disagree but the concept isn't illegitimate. That groups' oppression is overlapped by power dynamics isn't Marxist; it's axiomatic.
That said, if rapes occur as a result of the coordinated attack for other purposes, why are the leaders of the coordinated attack not on the hook for the rapes which occurred in the commission of the attack? I don't understand this.
wait.... do people still believe the nyt mass rape story was real journalism?
i thought that was completely exposed as made up, and everyone agreed it was made up, no?
tbh, I didn't really follow what was going on too closely... but I assumed that was the case. is that not the case?
The UN believes it: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
"Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered," read the 24-page U.N. report.
Not trying to be a dick. He clearly said mass rapes and your quote says some forms of sexual violence
It is pretty femicidal to dismiss rapes tho
wait.... do people still believe the nyt mass rape story was real journalism?
i thought that was completely exposed as made up, and everyone agreed it was made up, no?
tbh, I didn't really follow what was going on too closely... but I assumed that was the case. is that not the case?
No, I think the NYT story was debunked. The issue the thread is having is that they're arguing in binary, where there was either NO rape or there was coordinated MASS rape, and the reality is it was somewhere in between.
No, I think the NYT story was debunked. The issue the thread is having is that they're arguing in binary, where there was either NO rape or there was coordinated MASS rape, and the reality is it was somewhere in between.
Yes, AND it was a lot more than what usually happen these days.
I don't think they have been issued orders to rape. But I think terrorists hellbent to kill as many Jews as possible civilians included rape a lot more than western soldiers in wars. A LOT more. And released hostages testified as such
I have absolutely no clue what moral points either side is trying to score here. Maybe the guys butchering toddlers also committed some rapes, maybe they didn't? Can anyone explain why they're so invested in proving one side or the other of this?
I'm sorry, but this is ludicrous. In civil society, rape, like even casual street harassment, tends to happen where there aren't any other non-onside men on hand to intervene. In violent ethnic conflict, rapists may encounter a permissive environment, as probably happened on Oct 7, but this is an abnormal event.
Yes, AND it was a lot more than what usually happen these days.
I don't think they have been issued orders to rape. But I think terrorists hellbent to kill as many Jews as possible civilians included rape a lot more than western soldiers in wars. A LOT more. And released hostages testified as such
The Palestinians are getting raped daily in the IDF prisons. This has been going on for 20 years
What’re your thoughts on this state sponsored mass raping?
https://theintercept.com/2024/05/24/gaza...
AS EARLY AS November, reports emerged of doctors being detained and going missing in north Gaza. According to the World Health Organization, at least 214 medical staff from Gaza have been detained by the Israeli military. In early May, the detention and alleged torture of medical staff from Gaza made headlines when Israeli authorities announced the death of Adnan Al-Bursh, a well-known surgeon and the head of orthopedics at Al-Shifa Hospital. After being taken into custody in December, officials said Al-Bursh died in April while in Ofer Prison, an Israeli detention facility in the occupied West Bank.
[...] Al-Bursh is one of at least 493 Palestinian medical workers who have been killed in Gaza since October 7, according to the Ministry of Health.
israel appears to be systematically disappearing, torturing, and killing doctors. seem bad
The Israelis, predictably, aren't best pleased, and have even made the usual claim that if they can't do what they like then Israel will cease to exist immediately. (Which it won't, obviously.)
Israel should leave the UN
If you rape/torture your prisoners, do they then also become hostages?
Alternatively the UN should invade Israel, arrest its political leaders and miliary chiefs and escort them to The Hague for trial for war crimes.
Absolutely not. Jews would cease to exist worldwide. Antisemites would get into power and Israel would actually cease to exist
Same thing if we let all white people rule the UN and then let the UN invade people; we would get a white ethnocentric UN in no time.
I was providing a counter to an equally extreme idea.
The article said that the medical doctor died while in custody.
Please provide evidence that he was murdered.
i didn't say murdered, i said they killed him.
at least 214 medical staff from Gaza have been detained by the Israeli military [...] Al-Bursh is one of at least 493 Palestinian medical workers who have been killed in Gaza since October 7
seems like semantics. whats your point?
want to try again?
