Israel/Palestine thread
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Either you haven't thought this through very well, or you really do want a genocide of the Palestinian (and Israeli) people. If you think a weakened Israel being surrounded and attacked by its neighbors ends well for the Palestinians, you are very mistaken.
Of course many Islamists/Western leftists prioritize the Palestinian political project over the lives of the people; and if you made them take truth serum and told them the cost of retaking Israel from the river to the sea was the lives of most of the Palestinian people they would probably say that was acceptable. So if that is where you are coming from, then fair enough.
The real Hamas were the friends we made along the way.
Meh, can't get much worse for them. They might as well try and finish the job and destroy as many smuggling tunnels as they can but maybe chill on bombing tent cities or aid caravans because they think they saw someone carrying a gun.
The whole "Now people are gonna really hate Israel " thing is getting old. They are going to hate Israel no matter what. They don't like the idea of a Jewish run country. We have plenty of Muslim run countries and Christian run countries but God forbid there is a Jewish run country.
Maybe Hamas shouldn't be storing explosives where the people are. Maybe they shouldn't be driving near civilian tents with explosives in their vehicle. Tragic accidents are bound to happen in these situations.
Israel doesn't control that. They do control who they kill though.
Hamas is monstrously awful. That's not in dispute with me and it's a proscribed terrorist organisation in the uk.
Israels response under netanyahu is monstrous, stupid and most likely illegal in many respects. Blame us all for being bad faith actors all you like but I dont agree.
Should Israel just keep things status quo? Maybe just go into Gaza and do a couple cute little military operations. When is enough enough?
The Israeli air strike on a tented refugee camp, an area they actually told Gazans to go to, has not worked out well. Intended to kill two supposed Hamas fighters, it actually and not surprisingly killed 45 people.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kkqk...
EU leaders from France, Spain, Italy and Germany are all pretty fed up and would like Israel to obey the ICJ ruling and stop this kind of thing.
The EU leaders should be fed up with Hamas.
Meh, can't get much worse for them. They might as well try and finish the job and destroy as many smuggling tunnels as they can but maybe chill on bombing tent cities or aid caravans because they think they saw someone carrying a gun.
I am in blood, stepped so far
and it can get so much worse. Without a political solution it most likely will.
I'm not hearing international condemnation of the rockets being fired into Israel from Gaza and Lebanon. What about all the displaced people in north Israel? What about all of the lost business because employees had to go fight in a war they didn't start?
what about that whataboutery!??
write your congressman, or local newspaper. maybe they'll get to the bottom of it
Perhaps there would be more condemnation of those rockets if Israel was not currently doing far worse things resulting in far worse casualties.
Perhaps there would be more condemnation of those rockets if Israel was not currently doing far worse things resulting in far worse casualties.
This is the problem. If people would just direct their anger toward the real bad guy's, Hamas, this war would be over. Hamas loves that it's useful idiots are spreading their propaganda like it's the gospel. Every time someone condemns Israel, Hamas wins. Why is it so hard to differentiate between good and evil?
The idea that Israel is doing worse things is false. They have made mistakes but it's silly to say they are doing worse things. They are going after the bad guy's where they are. It's gonna be ugly. Israel should not have live with these homicidal rapists living next to them. Stop the attacks. Stop firing rockets. Stop the intifadas. Stop the Jihads. Stop glorifying Martyr's. If you act like a civilized people you will be treated like a civilized people. The Palestinians should want Hamas removed. Only then will they be able to rebuild their reputation.
You can say it should be that way all you want, but it isn't that way.
Many people disagree that Palestinian civilians are the bad guys and that killing them is good. Those people also don't seem to believe that killing any amount of these people is worth killing any amount of Hamas. For the people that think this way, Israel is doing worse things, especially since the rockets are not particularly effective. They are looking at results and intent.
What’s the over/under on how many will be killed in the daily atrocity today?
Israel's reputation can definitely get worse.
Their allies also are not solely worried about appearances, they are attempting to help Israel avoid the long term consequences of their very short sighted actions. Israel should listen.
Public appearance doesn’t matter because the people who are informed and make decisions understand that Israel’s defense is vital to Western hegemony. A lot of useful idiots have become pawns in the Iranian propaganda machine.
You can say it should be that way all you want, but it isn't that way.
Many people disagree that Palestinian civilians are the bad guys and that killing them is good. Those people also don't seem to believe that killing any amount of these people is worth killing any amount of Hamas. For the people that think this way, Israel is doing worse things, especially since the rockets are not particularly effective. They are looking at results and i
Hamas are the bad guys, not the innocent civilians. Many civilians are helping them though.
Israel took a big hit to it's reputation of being a safe place for Jews. The only thing that is important now is restoring that rep. Hamas is intent on maximizing casualties on both sides. If you don't like the civilian deaths, blame Hamas.
Hamas are the bad guys, not the innocent civilians. Many civilians are helping them though.
Israel took a big hit to it's reputation of being a safe place for Jews. The only thing that is important now is restoring that rep. Hamas is intent on maximizing casualties on both sides. If you don't like the civilian deaths, blame Hamas.
People tell me many civilians are helping them though. Bigly numbers of civilians.
Israel's reputation can definitely get worse.
Their allies also are not solely worried about appearances, they are attempting to help Israel avoid the long term consequences of their very short sighted actions. Israel should listen.
Israel is looking at the long term with it's actions now. The little military incursions they used to employ were short sided. The safety of it's people is more important than it's reputation.
