ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
You gonna put your rival in jail over a hooker? You have to be removed. This aint Nicargura. Even if the next guy starts firing nukes.
I think this helps Trump more than hurts him. IMO most of you guys live in upper middle class bubble echo chambers and have no theory of mind for how the rest of the country thinks.
The betting markets seem to agree with me. Time will tell I guess.
Every single betting market moved against trump on the announcement. Why do you guys do this? Who are you trying to lie to here?
I would just add that its worse than nukes, which no one is crazy enough to fire. But Trump right away started ruining relations with Europe during his run. Which is insane. Fracturing those alliances basically throws everything into chaos. He was a terrible Pres.
Also, just a reminder that you could bet on Trump last election... after he had already lost the election. The people betting on Trump aren't exactly the sharpest
So a ruling by the highest legal authority cannot be correct but a low level, politically motivated kangaroo court is?
How u know all the jurors were leftish to make such a claim ?
Are u admitting republicans are above justice regardless their crimes ?
Are you saying just because someone is republicans u would never condemn them ?
The natural best move by Biden would be to pardon trump and show how democrats aren’t there to “politicized” the justice system .
But maga are so dumb they wouldn’t get it and still would believe trump innocence and vote for him thinking the judicial system would still be rigged by democrats .
Every single betting market moved against trump on the announcement. Why do you guys do this? Who are you trying to lie to here?
Which books are you looking at. I have a bookmaker account that is at Trump -126 (Biden +126 and a bunch of long shots) which AFAICT is what it was at before.
Do you have an actual book real people bet real money at showing lines moved against Trump?
I don't know I believe this. There was a stretch where I sort of did, maybe from when the Berlin Wall came down up to a little after 9/11, but today? We've already had a couple close calls and I'd argue those governments were more stable than those in question today. I don't know what I'd set the probably at if I had to bet on it but it would be a higher figure than in years past.
PS I'll be very happy if you win this argument long term
meh, damage already done
a large swath of the American electorate will never vote for a convicted felon (and rightly so)
after dodging them most of his adult life, he finally had to face a jury of his peers. results were predictable considering he's a lifelong criminal
That would be true if the maga supporter would actually care about the truth.
Like bobo said , it’s already priced in, trump can’t do no wrong in their eyes so I highly doubt this conviction will change anything .
What it will change imho is the undecided voters, hopefully they are a big group but I’m not too sure…
Can’t wait for the next pole .
It's the independants not maga that will decide. I admit I'm pissed a bit lol. But I am never not gonna be independant. I don't like the guy but for any pure democrat.. you gotta tell me how you think this looks to an independant. You mean to tell me, some random prosecutor in some random city is going to put a former President in jail who is in a race? Because I have to say i don't think for one second anyone would ever have the nerve. No way. So what do this say to me.. There is a ruling class telling me who will run things in America. This is a porn star ... this is over. A city lawyer and a pron star and I am supposed to think this is legit, and I am supposed to take it.
For what?
Can you seriously and very intelligently actually explain what he did wrong?
Seriously, grab hold of yourself you're acting like he killed someone.
It's perfectly legal to pay someone off to not speak about an affair she claims she had. It's called a Non Disclosure Agreement. And when you do pay someone not to talk after President Trump's lawyers drew up legal docs and sent her the money, it's called a "legal expense".
Those are hi
Clinton just lied a bit about a blowjob and it could have cost his presidency.
Trump put money on top of that and you think it’s nothing ?
Well how republicans view of justice changed in the last 30 years huh .
Justice is only good for the other side …..
It's the independants not maga that will decide. I admit I'm pissed a bit lol. But I am never not gonna be independant. I don't like the guy but for any pure democrat.. you gotta tell me how you think this looks to an independant. You mean to tell me, some random prosecutor in some random city is going to put a former President in jail who is in a race? Because I have to say i don't think for one second anyone would ever have the nerve
Well if you think trump never did any fraud elsewhere u can believe that .
But man did trump screw so many things throughout his life and his presidency …..
For once he just got pinch shrug .
Stolen election, Georgia case about trying over turn the election, all his personal subordinate got condemn and pardon by him, many of his lawyers got found guilty on many things, many of his business got caught in fraud, he made fraud by some real estate he owns, etc…
I mean the list goes on and on.
He was on a heater for a very long time but that streak finally ended.
It's the independants not maga that will decide. I admit I'm pissed a bit lol. But I am never not gonna be independant. I don't like the guy but for any pure democrat.. you gotta tell me how you think this looks to an independant. You mean to tell me, some random prosecutor in some random city is going to put a former President in jail who is in a race? Because I have to say i don't think for one second anyone would ever have the nerve
I would recommend waiting till things cool down a little, and then vote the person you think would make the best President for the next 4 years. This ruling doesn't move the needle for me at all, but there are plenty of other reasons to not vote Trump regardless whether you think this ruling was a perversion of the justice system or not.
I will say if I was considering purely short term EV, the fact Dems and activist left are going to go so hard after Trump and be so destructive in doing so, is potentially a reason not to vote him. But doesn't seem fair to dock Trump points because I think the activists will act in bad faith in response, so I wont.
Surprisingly that is exactly what they were saying to a group of about ten people outside of the tournament area. They said that they had planned not to vote for anybody but that the prosecutions changed their mind. They didn't say why their original plans were not to vote. But their statement was not said to me alone in confidence or anything like that.
I saw James wood talking trump years ago and seem to be a vivid partisan of his….
Seem to me wood was probably bshiting
You seriously might not know this, but this is the sort of crap Trumpers make up to make it seem like there's some sort of big movement happening. There is ZERO chance James Woods wasn't going to vote for Trump. Like he would've done it and made a speech about it.
It's like the anti-vaxers that read made up stories on facebook and suddenly they "know" 6 people that died from the vaccine.
You're saying this guy:
Was just not going to bother vot
+1
I saw James wood talking trump years ago and seem to be a vivid partisan of his….
Seem to me wood was probably bshiting
I dont follow James Woods on X, but I guess I follow accounts adjacent to his so that the odd Tweet comes up on my feed. I am pretty confident If he votes (a lot of people dont vote, even people that are very engaged in politics) he was always going to vote for Trump.
I dont follow James Woods on X, but I guess I follow accounts adjacent to his so that the odd Tweet comes up on my feed. I am pretty confident If he votes (a lot of people dont vote, even people that are very engaged in politics) he was always going to vote for Trump.
Agree.
I was very surprise by DS post but not surprise by James wood bs trying maybe to stay relevant in the public eye ? Shrug
This is a tangent, but speaking of getting weird celebrity tweets, I was into MMA for a bit maybe 10-15 years ago, and am aware who Jake Shields is. Even watched him fight a few times. But I haven't followed MMA in years.
Anyways, as soon as 10/7 happened, out of nowhere I started getting a bunch of Jake Shields antisemitic tweets. It was the weirdest thing the algorithm thought I would be interested in a D list celebrity (if that) giving his hot takes on Jews. One of the few accounts I actually blocked, I was getting so many tweets of his I had no interest in seeing.
The reality is the right will scream rigged on the trial verdict and when the Supreme Court over rules the verdict the left will scream rigged
It's very tough to 'rig' a jury from which both sides could remove anyone they thought was impartial.
It's very easy to 'rig' a SC case when you personally installed a third of the 9 'justices' and two others have already shown their support for your attempt to rig the previous election.
It's the independants not maga that will decide. I admit I'm pissed a bit lol. But I am never not gonna be independant. I don't like the guy but for any pure democrat.. you gotta tell me how you think this looks to an independant. You mean to tell me, some random prosecutor in some random city is going to put a former President in jail who is in a race? Because I have to say i don't think for one second anyone would ever have the nerve
i assume this is some kind of bit.. but if it's not, are you trying to say that you believe political candidates should be immune from prosecution of crimes? it's not like they pulled this charge out of nowhere. from what i can see Bragg has charged 30+ other people with similar offenses in the last two years.
i'm surprised conspiring with a tabloid to run false stories about political opponents doesn't upset you the same way that being caught for doing it does..
I'd imagine that the conspiracy theories will be brewing up and trumpers will become further convinced that the system is trying to take him down. I also think that a portion of folks will come to the conclusion that he really did do some ****ed up **** and maybe he shouldn't be prez.
But everyone is going to move on from this by next thursday and it really won't matter all that much.
It is hard to get in the mind of anyone who is changing their vote on trump because of this but there will be some in both directions. Hard to know how many and while I hope it will shift against trump significantly, it could go the other way or most likely I'd guess you're right and it really wont matter much.
