President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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by Luciom P

You know that you can have state consumer protection, right?

Why is that a federal issue to begin with?

You can live where people agree with you and tax and regulate local companies (or any company selling or operating in your state) as much as you want, there are very few constitutional limits to that.

Why do you want to decide how things work elsewhere though is the question

because in reality the more localized you get the more whackjob you get. that form of government only made sense before modern times. it's a poor relic of a bygone era. there's no reason for the law to be different in every one of the 8 states i can drive across in one day.

also what power does my local government have vs walmart price gouging me? that's just dumb. why should one state treat an internet company differently than another? how do you reconcile that with capitalism or the commerce clause?


by David Sklansky P

Is it sad that supposedly smart people think that it would be even sadder if there was a technique that lessened the importance of the opinion of those people you deem incredibly stupid or gullible?

i dont think those people shouldn't vote or anything. i just think it's sad they are so dumb about issues they proclaim to be important to them.

like you have tons of people saying immigration is their number 1 issue, but Trump effectively veto'd the most conservative immigration policy in decades because he wants to trick dumb xenophobic people into voting for him.


by Slighted P

because in reality the more localized you get the more whackjob you get. that form of government only made sense before modern times. it's a poor relic of a bygone era. there's no reason for the law to be different in every one of the 8 states i can drive across in one day.

also what power does my local government have vs walmart price gouging me? that's just dumb. why should one state treat an internet company differently than anoth

Nice that you use Walmart, which keeps your prices actually down, in an ultra competitive sector, as an example of price gouging, means you really have a grasp of the topic.

Why should a sovereign entity reach a different decision on tradeoff considerations than a fellow one elsewhere....

Because it represents different people with different preferences.

The reason for laws to be different in different places (when it happens) is for the law to represent the actual will of the actual people, or you know, what they call actual democracy.

It also allows competing models to coexist in otherwise similar places, so that people can check the different results and make better decisions. And they can move where their preferences are the law, instead of being violently binded to the will of the national majority, which if they find far enough from theirs, means living all your life in a country that doesn't represent you at all.

Having everything from a radical right to a radical left to everything in between in the 50 states allows better matching of people with their preferences.

Commerce clause has been abused forever to justify federal power overreach toward a centralist model which is inimical at its core with the federal constitution. And to freedom for the reasons state above.

With CC abuse you can violently impose your preferences everywhere, there is no escape. So others can live differently proving it works better.

Unsurprisingly you bring it out here as well.

But we know why want want rules (and taxation and welfare) to be national: because you know under regulated states will attract the rich, the productive, the people you want to tax to pay for what you care about, and if they have an escape route elsewhere you can't regulate at the state level as much as you want, because companies will all flee and you will be left ruling over an economic desert.


Keep in mind that you are scared about the upcoming elections because of the model you are defending.

If federal elections had minimal consequences to your life in your state, and you live in a place that solidly represents your values, why would you give a ****? If 90-99% of what affect your life is decided at the state and local level as it should be , you would be left discussing some geopolitics for fun and that's it. Never scared about an election again.

Wouldn't it be far better for basically everyone?


by Luciom P

Nice that you use Walmart, which keeps your prices actually down, in an ultra competitive sector, as an example of price gouging, means you really have a grasp of the topic.

Why should a sovereign entity reach a different decision on tradeoff considerations than a fellow one elsewhere....

Because it represents different people with different preferences.

The reason for laws to be different in different places (when it happens) is for the law t

all of this stuff is just utopia talk.

i picked walmart because their grocery stores were literally just accused in price gouging within the last two months. so maybe we shouldn't talk about who has the grasp of the topic.

the local law rarely represents the actual people though. that doesn't happen in reality. it's just a slightly different ruling class that's more ripe for cronyism and corruption. you also just completely dismiss the idea that moving somewhere that "matches with your preference" just isn't suitable for the majority of people in real life.

under regulated states don't do that. because most of them are pretty crappy places to actually live. just look where it's expensive to buy houses. instead you just have backwards red states bankrupting themselves through deregulation decreasing the quality of life every outside their already big mostly BLUE metro areas.


by Luciom P

Keep in mind that you are scared about the upcoming elections because of the model you are defending.

If federal elections had minimal consequences to your life in your state, and you live in a place that solidly represents your values, why would you give a ****? If 90-99% of what affect your life is decided at the state and local level as it should be , you would be left discussing some geopolitics for fun and that's it. Never scared about

i'm scared of the upcoming election because i have empathy for people that are affected. i will be fine. i'm a white heterosexual cis male with a terminal degree i personally have nothing to fear from a trump presidency. but i, unlike the majority of repulicans, have enough empathy to know that more marginalized people won't necessarily fare similarly.

having more state power wouldn't help poor african american people in mississippi, louisiana, or alabama. but having more federal power might


by Slighted P

i'm scared of the upcoming election because i have empathy for people that are affected. i will be fine. i'm a white heterosexual cis male with a terminal degree i personally have nothing to fear from a trump presidency. but i, unlike the majority of repulicans, have enough empathy to know that more marginalized people won't necessarily fare similarly.

Man they can move, if they don't , don't feel sorry for them.

They also help your cause better if they move. A democrat vote in Mississippi is waster for POTUS elections, and for federal senate elections


by Luciom P

Man they can move, if they don't , don't feel sorry for them.

They also help your cause better if they move. A democrat vote in Mississippi is waster for POTUS elections, and for federal senate elections

Yes it’s so much harder to just all come together and accept some differences and compromises between each other for the greater good !
Just me me me and to hell everyone not like me ….
Just move everyone instead .


by Slighted P

all of this stuff is just utopia talk.

i picked walmart because their grocery stores were literally just accused in price gouging within the last two months. so maybe we shouldn't talk about who has the grasp of the topic.

the local law rarely represents the actual people though. that doesn't happen in reality. it's just a slightly different ruling class that's more ripe for cronyism and corruption. you also just completely dismiss the id


Yup that’s the funniest thing about red states .
They are the poorest and complain about taxes and yet they are the beneficiary of most of it from the federal.
They complain about blue but they never complain when they get the money from them …

They vote against many blue policies but when they pass and get the money they hypocritically say it’s because of themselves they have so much money to help their constituents while they voted against that same bill ….
The amount of stupidity is mind boggling in those rural states .
Go maga go !


by Montrealcorp P

Yes it’s so much harder to just all come together and accept some differences and compromises between each other for the greater good !
Just me me me and to hell everyone not like me ….
Just move everyone instead .

move inside the same country lol, yes.

the greater good isn't some platonic thing, just let everyone live among people he share values with, why force cohabitation when you can have different self sorted clusters inside the same country as expected and intended in the constitution?


by Montrealcorp P

Yup that’s the funniest thing about red states .
They are the poorest and complain about taxes and yet they are the beneficiary of most of it from the federal.
They complain about blue but they never complain when they get the money from them …

They vote against many blue policies but when they pass and get the money they hypocritically say it’s because of themselves they have so much money to help their constituents while they voted against t

you are thinking alabama, I am thinking CA and NYS vs TX and FL


by Luciom P

move inside the same country lol, yes.

the greater good isn't some platonic thing, just let everyone live among people he share values with, why force cohabitation when you can have different self sorted clusters inside the same country as expected and intended in the constitution?

That is my point .
Only u see the word « force » instead of « compromises » needed to have a functioning country/society .

Btw many Europe countries stuck with what u aim at , called ghettos or suburbs being massive problems later on due exactly because no integrations occurred with lacking of compromises …


by Montrealcorp P

That is my point .
Only u see the word « force » instead of « compromises » needed to have a functioning country/society .

Btw many Europe countries stuck with what u aim at , called ghettos or suburbs being massive problems later on due exactly because no integrations occurred with lacking of compromises …

EH??? the "ghettos" don't have different rules ffs, and get welfare from others. And they exist because housing is expensive not for other reasons. Lack of compromises? europes does more to immigrants than the USA. Problem is our immigrants are mostly low skilled, especially in Italy, France, Spain, Germany. In america a lot of immigrants are highly skilled.

Imagine america almost only getting mexicans and central american immigration without a degree and you get the idea.


by Luciom P

EH??? the "ghettos" don't have different rules ffs, and get welfare from others. And they exist because housing is expensive not for other reasons. Lack of compromises? europes does more to immigrants than the USA. Problem is our immigrants are mostly low skilled, especially in Italy, France, Spain, Germany. In america a lot of immigrants are highly skilled.

Imagine america almost only getting mexicans and central american immigration withou

Wrong ….
Your own words .

by Luciom P

Man they can move, if they don't , don't feel sorry for them.

They also help your cause better if they move. A democrat vote in Mississippi is waster for POTUS elections, and for federal senate elections


by Luciom P

move inside the same country lol, yes.

the greater good isn't some platonic thing, just let everyone live among people he share values with, why force cohabitation when you can have different self sorted clusters inside the same country as expected and intended in the constitution?

You just downgrade the importance of integration and compromises on how society can evolve in a good way .
Some Europe countries have massive problems because exactly of that .


by Montrealcorp P

Wrong ….
Your own words .


You just downgrade the importance of integration and compromises on how society can evolve in a good way .
Some Europe countries have massive problems because exactly of that .


Jfc my words where about american citizens living in a state that doesn't represent their preferences, to move in another state. Have you read the exchange?

I don't want to integrate I want to take in only people who are already better than our average citizen, why dilute the average?


by Luciom P

Jfc my words where about american citizens living in a state that doesn't represent their preferences, to move in another state. Have you read the exchange?

I don't want to integrate I want to take in only people who are already better than our average citizen, why dilute the average?

Yes and that’s how u create situation like in Europe in the long run ….
It’s ok if u don’t see it .


by Montrealcorp P

Yes and that’s how u create situation like in Europe in the long run ….
It’s ok if u don’t see it .

No the situation gets created because we let in low skilled people lol. That's the source of the problem.


by Inso0 P

Oh man, where are you when people are circle-jerking over countless articles about taxing the evil billionaires who, "Made more money in the markets yesterday than the bottom half of Americans make in a decade"?

I don't understand why you would ask me that or what it has to do with my post that you quoted.


Did Genocide Joe just copy Trump's border policies?

Hmm thought there wasn't a crisis at the border Joe ?


Cite please



by King Spew P

Cite please

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/04...

To be clear this proves Biden wasn't doing everything in his power previously which means he was putting the interests of foreigners above that of americans which in a normal country would be considered a crime tbh.

This also proves things could be done without congress on the topic, against the objectively false claims of democrats till now, who claimed republicans voting against the package caused the border crisis to stay unsolved.

Oh and this also proves a border crisis does exist.

This also proves republicans were wrong in impeaching Mayorkas for the dereliction of duty on the border and should have impeached Biden instead for it


by Luciom P

To be clear this proves Biden wasn't doing everything in his power previously which means he was putting the interests of foreigners above that of americans which in a normal country would be considered a crime tbh.

What a ridiculous comment. Name one country where this would be considered a crime?


by lozen P

link

Thank you for providing a cite


I'm sure even Trump wasn't doing everything in his power to stop people at the border. And he certainly wasn't from day one of his presidency.

I don't know what the best border policy would be, but I do know that situations change and it is reasonable to try different policies. This doesn't mean that the original policy was criminal or enacted in bad faith.

Biden has always been the type who prefers to enact policies with bipartisan support, and I believe him when he says that he would have preferred to do something with the support of Congress, even if it was within his power to make some changes on his own.


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