President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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Let’s be honest Biden under executive order removed all of Trumps policies on the border and for 3.5 years said the border was secure and no problems . Than when they could not pass a bill he blamed the GOP and said he has no authority to issue executive orders realizing the poll numbers issued executive orders on the border

WTF


by ganstaman P

What a ridiculous comment. Name one country where this would be considered a crime?

the USA: not deporting every single one they catch is a felony, one count per alien.

not arresting every single one they catch is a felony, one count per alien.

then there is the violation of the take care clause of the constitution ofc




when he encouraged them to come, that was a felony as well btw


by lozen P

Let’s be honest Biden under executive order removed all of Trumps policies on the border and for 3.5 years said the border was secure and no problems . Than when they could not pass a bill he blamed the GOP and said he has no authority to issue executive orders realizing the poll numbers issued executive orders on the border

WTF

They wanted to sneak it in a bill which included tens of billions to Ukraine.

The reason they're doing this is either for political reasons (and I'll be finding out quick if he actually closes the border or if these are just out right lies which they've done in the past) or maybe the correct people are now in control. The pResident is nothing but a shill, and it's in plain sight but some people are too brainwashed to "hate trump" that they refuse to entertain the minuscule possibility the byden's 100% controlled.


What Biden has done so far at the border has been excellent for the US.

One of the reasons that the US has lower inflation since Covid than any other Industrial nation is that the millions of immigrants that came in through the border after it was basically reopened (to the same conditions that it had been opened with all Presidents prior to Trump) and millions of tons of food in the US that would have been dead in the field has been picked.

What Biden hasn't done is:
1) Lied about Mexico paying for a wall
2) Diverted money from Defense to allegedly build a wall (really just fixing parts of an already existing wall that in fact had been breached over 5,000 times during Trump's Presidency by rope and ladders that had been purchased in hardware stores)
3) Called Mexicans rapists and animals
4) Separated thousands of children from their families at the border with no info basically to get them back together ever
5) Told Republicans in the Senate to kill a bipartisan bill that would have sped up the legal process for Asylum seekers, shut down the wall when a specific number of immigrants had come into the US in a particular week (I think the number was 5,000 in the bill) and provided more border guards
6) Pretended that immigrants have a higher crime rate in the US than US Citizens (the actual crime rate is less than 50% of US Citizens specifically because it means that they would be deported when caught committing a crime regardless of whether or not they would have been entitled to stay)

What Biden is now doing will be brought to court because as President he likely isn't allowed to close down the border when there are more than 2,500 asylum seekers crossing the border in a week. So he may lose that battle but in the meantime he definitely will be appealing to people who think he isn't doing anything to slow down immigration.

For all the people who think Biden is breaking the law by not disallowing any illegal immigrants to come into the country: LOL. Every President including Trump has been in the same exact situation. There hasn't been a budget big enough to catch every illegal immigrant. No president has tried to get all illegal immigrants out of the country especially parents of current US Citizens unless they had committed crimes (partly because they help reduced inflation by taking jobs that virtually no US Citizens are competing for and partly because there just isn't a budget big enough to actually be able to do it and partly because there are a lot of businesses in the US who have probably threatened to fund political opponents if they did). And basically the person committing the crime is the immigrant themself.


by Luciom P

when he encouraged them to come, that was a felony as well btw

When was that?


by Playbig2000 P

They wanted to sneak it in a bill which included tens of billions to Ukraine.

The reason they're doing this is either for political reasons (and I'll be finding out quick if he actually closes the border or if these are just out right lies which they've done in the past) or maybe the correct people are now in control. The pResident is nothing but a shill, and it's in plain sight but some people are too brainwashed to "hate trump" that they

Did you ever consider that Biden voters would be fine with it if the one actually deciding things has been doing most things the way they want?

That fact certainly wouldn't make them prefer Trump. If Trump is elected I certainly hope there is someone behind the scenes making the important decisions. I know that happened a lot in his first term - he said he wanted to implement some crazy and/or illegal policy or other, and his officials just ignored the order.


by Montrealcorp P

Yup that’s the funniest thing about red states .
They are the poorest and complain about taxes and yet they are the beneficiary of most of it from the federal.
They complain about blue but they never complain when they get the money from them …

They vote against many blue policies but when they pass and get the money they hypocritically say it’s because of themselves they have so much money to help their constituents while th

Yeah. Literally causing themselves to die in some cases. Because rurals in GA vote in guys like Kemp that won’t allow Obamacare Medicaid expansion rural hospitals have to close and some of these people like an hour away from a hospital now.

https://www.nepm.org/national-world-news...


Some people think that having the moral dignity to refuse to steal other people stuff through the political process is irrational, that's how much some pillars of leftism, like the idea it's proper, moral and just to vote on how much to steal from others and how to spend it for yourself (hint: it isn't), are ingrained in them.

"Look how dumb these guys are, they refuse free stuff!"

"Wait this isn't free stuff, this is stuff stolen from others and they don't want to become parasites"

"Ehhh?? Uhhh??? They can die "

"Dying with dignity is better than living immorally "


by chillrob P

When was that?


That's not the law.

The law has a requirement of actual provable persecution for asylum seekers, and oppression isn't a synonym, especially when used by a democratic party politician, the party which basically describes every difficulty in life as "oppression".


by Luciom P

That's not the law.

The law has a requirement of actual provable persecution for asylum seekers, and oppression isn't a synonym, especially when used by a democratic party politician, the party which basically describes every difficulty in life as "oppression".

To me that just sounds like a rewording of the words on the Statue of Liberty.


by Luciom P

Some people think that having the moral dignity to refuse to steal other people stuff through the political process is irrational, that's how much some pillars of leftism, like the idea it's proper, moral and just to vote on how much to steal from others and how to spend it for yourself (hint: it isn't), are ingrained in them.

"Look how dumb these guys are, they refuse free stuff!"

"Wait this isn't free stuff, this is stuff stolen from others

That may apply to .01% of Republican voters in poor states, to be extremely generous.


Yes, the right wing is quite the bastion of morality. Must be all that godliness.


by chillrob P

That may apply to .01% of Republican voters in poor states, to be extremely generous.

32% of republicans nationwide dislike medicaid in it's entirety (like they would like 0 federal contribution to healthcare for the poor)

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-findin...

85% oppose Obamacare medicaid expansion in Mississippi

https://magnoliatribune.com/2024/03/05/p...

Why do you want to deny the very basic objective truth that a ton of republicans in red state just hate welfare as a concept? especially federal welfare?

And the fact that they hate it even if their states are net beneficiaries of it makes it far more moral, clearly so. They don't want charity, they hate the idea of being parasites


by Luciom P

32% of republicans nationwide dislike medicaid in it's entirety (like they would like 0 federal contribution to healthcare for the poor)

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-findin...

85% oppose Obamacare medicaid expansion in Mississippi

https://magnoliatribune.com/2024/03/05/p...

Why do you want to deny the very basic objective truth that a ton of

I think the majority of those people don't even know what Obamacare is, they just didn't like Obama and were told terrible things about it.

I have seen videos with interviews of Republican voters in the south who said they hated Obamacare when they actually were usingit. Then when asked if they like their current subsidized health insurance they said they loved it.


by chillrob P

I think the majority of those people don't even know what Obamacare is, they just didn't like Obama and were told terrible things about it.

I have seen videos with interviews of Republican voters in the south who said they hated Obamacare when they actually were usingit. Then when asked if they like their current subsidized health insurance they said they loved it.

Read the article, it's polling about the obamacare medicaid expansion, and when asked if they agree with the waiving of work requirements more than 90% disagree.

They poll explaining the rules and self-identifying republicans overwhelmingly dislike them (in mississippi).

But you have seen a video so i guess that's it.


by Luciom P

32% of republicans nationwide dislike medicaid in it's entirety (like they would like 0 federal contribution to healthcare for the poor)

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-findin...

85% oppose Obamacare medicaid expansion in Mississippi

https://magnoliatribune.com/2024/03/05/p...

Why do you want to deny the very basic objective truth that a ton of

They’re just too dumb to realize they are the ones benefiting from these welfare programs. Fox News etc playing them like idiots contributes but it doesn’t go any deeper than that.


by DoyleBrunsonFan P

They’re just too dumb to realize they are the ones benefiting from these welfare programs. Fox News etc playing them like idiots contributes but it doesn’t go any deeper than that.

They aren't, it's specifically about medicaid and respondents know if they are on medicad or not.

This is not about all the obamacare package, just about medicaid expansion.

Besides, what makes you think that the poors in red states vote red? especially in urban areas?


by Playbig2000 P

They wanted to sneak it in a bill which included tens of billions to Ukraine.

The reason they're doing this is either for political reasons (and I'll be finding out quick if he actually closes the border or if these are just out right lies which they've done in the past) or maybe the correct people are now in control. The pResident is nothing but a shill, and it's in plain sight but some people are too brainwashed to "hate trump" that they

all presidents are controlled shills comrade.


by Luciom P

the USA: not deporting every single one they catch is a felony, one count per alien.

not arresting every single one they catch is a felony, one count per alien.

then there is the violation of the take care clause of the constitution ofc

So to be clear, you are actually claiming in good faith that you believe Joe Biden has committed felonies by not enacting this executive order sooner? You can admit that you're just making things up as you go. But otherwise, this is close to being moved to the conspiracy thread for being so obviously incorrect.


by Luciom P

Some people think that having the moral dignity to refuse to steal other people stuff through the political process is irrational, that's how much some pillars of leftism, like the idea it's proper, moral and just to vote on how much to steal from others and how to spend it for yourself (hint: it isn't), are ingrained in them.

"Look how dumb these guys are, they refuse free stuff!"

"Wait this isn't free stuff, this is stuff stolen from others

That’s not these people. Like the article said 80% of their medical costs are paid for by the federal government even without Medicaid expansion I agree the country would be better off if these morons just refused our subsidies, but these parasites don’t. Because of their stupidity we get the worst of both worlds. These leeches still take productive America’s money and they don’t even get good care from it because of their stupidity.


by ganstaman P

So to be clear, you are actually claiming in good faith that you believe Joe Biden has committed felonies by not enacting this executive order sooner? You can admit that you're just making things up as you go. But otherwise, this is close to being moved to the conspiracy thread for being so obviously incorrect.

The american house of representatives believes Mayorkas committed felonies, is that conspiracy thread material? an impeachment by the house?

Then it's about if the responsibility for the letters of impeachment for M., is actually Mayorkas' or Biden'. Can i disagree with congress, or doing that is conspiratorial?

Do you in general believe that lack of action in the exercise of executive functions can never be criminal , or just in this case? i am not sure i understand your position.

Because claiming that being incorrect (according to you) about a legal assessment = conspiracy is quite a stretch


by Luciom P

Do you in general believe that lack of action in the exercise of executive functions can never be criminal , or just in this case? i am not sure i understand your position.

What criminal statute do you think Biden violated, and why isn't the Republican Party calling for charges to be brought? Are they incompetent?


by Luciom P

Some people think that having the moral dignity to refuse to steal other people stuff through the political process is irrational, that's how much some pillars of leftism, like the idea it's proper, moral and just to vote on how much to steal from others and how to spend it for yourself (hint: it isn't), are ingrained in them.

"Look how dumb these guys are, they refuse free stuff!"

"Wait this isn't free stuff, this is stuff stolen from others

They should just give the money back lol if they believe it was so immoral .


by Luciom P

32% of republicans nationwide dislike medicaid in it's entirety (like they would like 0 federal contribution to healthcare for the poor)

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-findin...

85% oppose Obamacare medicaid expansion in Mississippi

https://magnoliatribune.com/2024/03/05/p...

Why do you want to deny the very basic objective truth that a ton of

A huge majority of republicans think we are presently in a recession .
Yeah that is how dumb they are …
They can’t see $h!t clearly even with empirical evidences ….

They probably hate wellfare because they’ve told so instead of realizing how they actually benefit from it .
Yup quitting school early bring you there …
Again u just proved how they love to vote against their own interest because they don’t know better .


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