Israel/Palestine thread
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I do not know if Trolly is mad that Israel responded. Speaking for myself and others who have been characterized in that way though:
I believe Israel should have responded. I do not believe they should have responded in the manner that they have. If they were incapable of responding in a better manner then they should not have responded at all. If they are capable of responding in a better matter have chosen not to...
A better manner
lol. Sfop mincing your words and call it what it is. You don’t hold back when it’s Hamas violence.
I thought they woke up and said "my religious leader tells me to kill the infidels, and if I die I will be rewarded in the afterlife where many virgins will be forced to have sex with me for eternity, sounds like a good career path for me".
You seem to be confusing hamas with other terrorist groups such as AQ and IS.
Trolly and some of these mods live in an alternate reality where nations are expected to tell their citizens to suck it up and endure terrorism on a daily basis. Or just some nations.
You Americans know nothing about a campaign of terror in your own country. You’re much more used to waging terror abroad,
The reality that you’re confused about is that sucking it up is preferable to killing tens of thousands of citizens but I guess from your post that you think the UK would have been justified in firing rockets at Cork?
tens of thousands of FOREIGNERS (not citizens) among which a great number of terrorists and terrorist enablers.
So you’d have been in agreement with the UK killing tens of thousands of foreigners in Ireland in retaliation for terrorism?
IRA killed about 650 civilians over 30 years until their capitulation and defeat. the hamas terrorists that you support 'achieved' that, and more, in about three hours
if the IRA had invaded some welsh coastal village, raped and killed a bunch of the women, murdered most of the men, and dragged several hundred hostages including some toddlers into cork tunnels then the brirish government response would've been overwhelming and devastating and rightly so
if majorities of the Irish fully agreed with the terrorism, terrorists where de facto governing Ireland, locations of terrorists was known and in urban civilian areas, then obviously yes?
like the international community was perfectly right to bomb the talibans.
the mistakes in Afghanistan were more about not killing every single Taliban outright.
in general the presence of civilians shouldn't deter military action against enemies, it's an absurd notion, a completely nonsense claim which simply enables terrorists to thrive if applied
if majorities of the Irish fully agreed with the terrorism, terrorists where de facto governing Ireland, locations of terrorists was known and in urban civilian areas, then obviously yes?
like the international community was perfectly right to bomb the talibans.
the mistakes in Afghanistan were more about not killing every single Taliban outright.
in general the presence of civilians shouldn't deter military action against enemies, it's an abs
Majority of Irish didn't agree, nor were the IRA de facto governing Ireland.
IRA killed about 650 civilians over 30 years until their capitulation and defeat. the hamas terrorists that you support 'achieved' that, and more, in about three hours
if the IRA had invaded some welsh coastal village, raped and killed a bunch of the women, murdered most of the men, and dragged several hundred hostages including some toddlers into cork tunnels
No it wouldn't. Really. It's not the same context as again the provos weren't governing Ireland the way Hamas control Gaza, so you're way off base with your supposition.
IRA killed about 650 civilians over 30 years until their capitulation and defeat. the hamas terrorists that you support 'achieved' that, and more, in about three hours
I've made it clear many times here that I don't support Hamas. I stop reading posts that start with a blatant lie so don't know how much other drivel is in it.
I don't agree with Jalfrezi much of the time but in a previous convo, he stated to me that Hamas were beyond the pale, so he has condemned them before, in fairness.
You Americans know nothing about a campaign of terror in your own country. You’re much more used to waging terror abroad,
The reality that you’re confused about is that sucking it up is preferable to killing tens of thousands of citizens but I guess from your post that you think the UK would have been justified in firing rockets at Cork?
You might not want make this argument since the Brits did deliberately burn down a decent chunk of Cork.
I don't agree with Jalfrezi much of the time but in a previous convo, he stated to me that Hamas were beyond the pale, so he has condemned them before, in fairness.
Makes his de facto support for Hamas all the more… something.
Like it or not, telling Israel to retreat and allow Hamas to control Gaza is supporting Hamas.
“I do not support but…” is tantamount to gaslighting when everything after but is support for Hamas in effect.
i can use jalfrezi's own words to sum up his posting itt:
before clicking through, i invite you to guess as to what follows the but
Allow me to help:
I'm not seeking to excuse Hamas's actions, but the connection between the suffering of oppressed people and violent reactions is indisputable and we see it time and time again across the world, as you cited yourself with the (P)IRA bombing civilians. These people are misguided but their cause is usually valid imo.
When surgery and chemo are required to remove cancer, telling the surgeon to stop is tantamount to supporting cancer.
You Americans know nothing about a campaign of terror in your own country. You’re much more used to waging terror abroad,
The reality that you’re confused about is that sucking it up is preferable to killing tens of thousands of citizens but I guess from your post that you think the UK would have been justified in firing rockets at Cork?
There’s no parallel between I/P and UK/IRA as much as you think there is in your fantasy. When you’re ready to take a stance that’s even slightly grounded in reality, then people can have an actual discussion with you. Until then you’re just making noise.
It doesn’t matter what you say. Every single post I’ve seen from you is in support of Hamas, not the Palestinian people, but Hamas. You don’t get to go around excusing every violent action they take and then claim you don’t support them.
lol show me where I've excused every violent action they've taken. I abhor violence against civilians and have made this abundantly clear.
If Hamas constrained its attacks to the Israeli military and government then fine by me, but it didn't.
And you guys thought I was joking about the "genetic calipers" bit. It always circles back to eugenics with these freaks.
No man, it's just that is mainstream, rational, normal, accepted by everyone who isn't a crazy radical leftist, to believe that DNA plays a role in human societies.
And that we can, through DNA, determine ancestor commonality or lack thereof.
Yglesias is one of the most milquetoast techno centrists there are, if he uses some thinking process it means it's 100% mainstream and approved (TM) by normies.
Ie you are the radical, extremely minoritarian, negationist of biology and science, when it's about genetics of human beings. You are the pariah not everyone else.
No man, it's just that is mainstream, rational, normal, accepted by everyone who isn't a crazy radical leftist, to believe that DNA plays a role in human societies.
And that we can, through DNA, determine ancestor commonality or lack thereof.
Yglesias is one of the most milquetoast techno centrists there are, if he uses some thinking process it means it's 100% mainstream and approved (TM) by normies.
Ie you are the radical, extremely minoritar
lol, you realize the eugenicists thought Italians were maybe 2 steps above chimpanzees, right?
.... Yglesias is borderline insane by most normie standards. Thinking his "thinking processes" are 100% approved by normies is proof positive of derangement.
