ex-President Trump

It's entirely possible that he has spent more time pondering this issue than anyone in human history.

You got love the irony from a guy calling himself pro life ….
And you are pro democracy ?
Killing the opposition is what fascist and totalitarian state do !
Let me help you … China and Russia aren’t consider democracy …..

Obviously +1
The concept of killing people to win election isn’t what we call a democracy …
Actually I think the word « compromise » is what make a real democracy.

So all those January 6 convicted should be put to death ?
Great …

And btw no you didn’t just speak about the state …
Let me remind u again what you said

Pro slavery isn’t endangering the state !
Nothing more dangerous then a fascist not knowing is fascist for a democracy .
Cause they will accept as normal crazy anti moral policy to be acceptable….

Yes I am on record saying that every one who rioted on Jan 6 should get the death penalty OBVIOUSLY, you attack the government building you die.

Pro slavery is endangering the state. The state isn't a fictional entity, the state is ONLY THE PEOPLE. Endangering the people is endangering the state. Pro slavery or pro abolition of private property rights or any other negative right is endangering the population.

If you want to abolish habeas corpus you should be treated as a terrorist as well.

huh?

What's unclear , what's your question

my question was "huh?"

isnt your crowd great.
yup even tho luciom is on your side he would gladly have u killed if u were there .

jan 6 is overblown. looked like the burning man festival spilled into DC. anyone who thinks these were serious people and they were an actual threat to anything but themselves, is lying to themselves or bonkers

luciom is a globalist...not on my side in the slightest

Why did the policemen commit suicide?

It's hilarious watching you people tell yourselves this with your attempt at a straight face.

I put you in the bonkers category

Lucicam is basically a leftist

Who do YOU think had a greater chance to overthrow the most powerful country in the history of the world without one shot fired?

A. the 1k or so people who invaded the capital on jan 6th
B. an institutionalized person who thinks the keys to the country are locked inside a safe in the backroom of the Wal-greens in small town Ohio and is willing and capable to walk into that Wal-greens unarmed and break into the backroom to get the keys
C. both A & B have the same odds

How is their chance of success even relevant?

It is so absurd how this has been whitewashed as not at all a big deal

Did everyone who entered the Capitol do so with the expressed intention of stopping or overturning the certification of Biden? Yes, this isn’t really disputable and even if there was little to no chance of success they still breached the captiol and caused the evacuation of every single member of the house and senate and the sitting Vice President and this was done with at best the encouragement and at worst at the explicit instruction of Trump

Did everyone who entered intend on overthrowing the government and killing members of Congress deemed the enemy? No. But assuming that nobody entered with that intention is just lying to yourself and everyone you express that to. People showed up armed, people showed up masked in body armor with zip tie handcuffs. There was a ****ing gallows. But ya I’m sure that was just making a point by doing BLM cosplay

This is disingenuous. No one thinks that the protesters themselves had any chance of overthrowing the U.S. government by force. The hope on the Trump side was that the spectacle would put pressure on Pence to do the wrong thing, which in turn would precipitate a constitutional crisis, which in turn would precipitate a decision from the SCOTUS in which the court said that the question of electors, etc. was beyond the purview of the court, which in turn would lead to the military and FBI saying that it was not their place to get involved in purely political matters, which in turn would lead to Trump staying in office and successfully resisting the results of a non-rigged election.

There are a lot of steps in that process. I never thought the plan had more than a puncher's chance of succeeding. But the chances definitely were non-zero, and even a failed effort was guaranteed to normalize political behavior that we most certainly do not want to normalize.

It's just crazy for Republicans to pretend they're the real patriots when they excuse breaking into the capitol to interrupt official congressional proceedings because it was unlikely to actually subvert democracy.

I look at the Jan 6 mob having the same brain power as the world’s dumbest criminals - like the guys that use Ubers as getaway cars from bank robberies. Stupid as **** but still criminals deserving punishment. Your staning for them says a lot.

The U.S. Attorneys' office is quietly proceeding with January 6 prosecutions and those involved are facing real consequences commensurate to the seriousness of their offenses. See https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/media/13.... You can peruse over 100 pages of January 6 defendants and their sentences, to date.

Say what you will about the "seriousness" of January 6, but it's impossible to deny that the right wing media ecosystem is directly responsible for these hundreds of people (with more prosecutions ongoing), most of whom likely never would have ever been touched by the criminal justice system, becoming felons. And yes, people make their own choices, but these people would not have been there but for the misinformation being spread about the election.

The right has to play down and try to move past January 6 not so much because it was a legitimate threat to our democracy, but because it reveals the fundamental betrayal of the right's own constituency.

Also, subversion of democracy isn't usually a singular event like flipping a light switch.

Subversion can be (and often is) a gradual process that occurs through the erosion of norms on which a functional democracy relies.

it isn't, or it shouldn't be.

Ofc the vegan shaman and his crowd weren't a serious threat (ie they had no chance of actual success). Doesn't matter, they should have been executed anyway. You don't wait for the threat to grow to put things straight.

the vice president, a conservative republican, said thought and acted otherwise.

the secret service team, filled with conservative republicans, said thought and acted otherwise.

why do you think you know better than republicans who were there?