The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
"CAS decision a call to action to all trans women" - Lia Thomas reacts after losing legal battle against World Aquatics
In pursuit of podiums at the Paris Olympics, Lia Thomas filed a suit to overturn a set of policies laid out by World Aquatics in 2022, which rules transgender athletes, who have undergone 'any part of male puberty', out from the women's elite races.
The CAS, disregarding the plea, issued a 24-page verdict which says:
"The Panel notes that the Athlete did not apply for – let alone was granted – the right to participate in ‘Elite Events' within the meaning of the USA Swimming Policy."
In response, Thomas called upon her fellow transgender athletes to stand up for their rights. She was disappointed with the decision and talked about being deprived of athletic opportunities.
"Blanket bans preventing trans women from competing are discriminatory and deprive us of valuable athletic opportunities that are central to our identities. The CAS decision should be seen as a call to action to all trans women athletes to continue to fight for our dignity and human rights," she said (via Newsweek).
Lia Thomas claims that she "transitioned to be happy" & doesn't intend to have an advantage
I really don't get why more folks aren't capable at differentiating between accepting that a person transitioned to be more comfortable in their own body who wasn't looking to game a particular sport as well as understanding that transitioning would also create an incredibly unfair playing field that doesn't necessarily need to be sacrificed.
To make sure we understand the question, and address it sincerely in its intended framing...its not an answer to say 'ANYONE can participate.." We are asking if the child belongs in the set.
If a child is gay or trans or queer, etc., why should they not be allowed to identify as such in public at a parade that celebrates them?
Hes trying to get at pride parades effectively being conversion therapy for malleable children.
Nobody think conversion therapy is credible or effective yet we constantly go back to this argument as some sort of gotcha.
I contend that people who think like this are harboring secret homosexual thoughts and tendencies that bring them shame. Why else would they think others could be tricked into being LGBQT?
"I've never felt tempted by gay stu
Latent homosexual homophobia is totally cliche, but more believable than this wave of hetero kids being convinced that they're gay.
lol
Latent homosexual homophobia is totally cliche, but more believable than this wave of hetero kids being convinced that they're gay.
Could you have been "convinced that you're gay"?
Do you have friends and family who fell for the homosexual hoodwink?
Where is this idea even coming from? Your latent homosexual homophobia?
Could you have been "convinced that you're gay"?
Do you have friends and family who fell for the homosexual hoodwink?
Where is this idea even coming from? Your latent homosexual homophobia?
I think you misread my post. I mean that I can be convinced that homophones are latent homosexuals before I would believe that kids are being groomed into gayness.
Could you have been "convinced that you're gay"?
Do you have friends and family who fell for the homosexual hoodwink?
Where is this idea even coming from? Your latent homosexual homophobia?
Haven't you heard of the Republican who rails against homosexuality by day while getting railed at night? Most cliches exist for a reason.
I understand you now, it's just a ridiculous question.
First off, I have never heard of a baby being transgender, or considered that by their parents. Have you?
Second, even if they were, why would you ask us if they should be in the parade. No one here runs a pride parade. I've never even heard anyone talk about participating in one. I doubt anyone here cares one iota about who participates in a pride parade and who doesn't.
This is one of
That parents are raising their children genderless from birth as a trend is certainly happening. I'm not transphobic because you deny it or say so.
Asking if someone is "in the set" makes no sense and it's not clear what you mean by that.
I understand that English isn't your first language, and I'm not trying to mock you for that, but many things you post here really don't make much sense. That is part of the reason why you get frustrated that people aren't answering your questions in the way you would like them to.
The llm's say my english is far superior to yours which is why you don't understand it so well.
I'm using the term 'set' like set theory is which useful and fitting, and relevant to a poker forum. You don't play poker we know.
The idea is there is a subset of humans that belong in the LGTBQ.... etc. set. Some do, some don't. I'm not in that set. Its quite defined and its purpose is to exclude those that aren't in it and include those that are.
(This is different than the role of the parade which accepts all humans some as the participants who are in the set and some who are participants that aren't in the set)
So the question is, if the parents raise their child genderless, does that put the child in the set.
So for example, if they go to a parade, are they 'participants' from the set rather than observers.
Also how come any time someone brings up a good point about how ridiculous people are being in this thread, everyone jumps on it like its so anti-trans we have to twist what the person said so others will misunderstand it too?
How come the only intent here is to uphold the silly things that no one will actually believe in real life? Whats with Uke?
Ya this doesn't make your question one iota less ridiculous. They're kids. If they show up on a float nobody is doing some inspection of whether they are in some binary "set" or not of your imagination.
Parents are welcome to raise their children however they wish. I have young children, and I'd never raise my children to be religious or to hold conservative family values, and I minimize the amount of gender norms I impose on my kids. Others
this feels you're taking a worldview of how you believe things should be and the ascribing it as how it actually is because you think you're in the morally correct side which can do no wrong
i personally know a few people who were not so secretly hoping at least one of their children would come out as gay and then later on and to a much greater degree - autistic
my god, the amount of people who had perfectly normal children and would subject them to all sorts of autism testing and screening and didn't hide at all their excitement or disappointment in the results
there's a lot of parents who want their children to be unique or special and will seek that stuff out - the amount of perfectly normal children who are tested for autism each year because they did well on a math class is absurd
so it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we had parents who were actively rooting and encouraging/grooming their children to be trans - i suspect this is where you get a lot of the otherwise normal hetero people decide to use they/them for a period of their lives
Yes the idea that this doesn't exist is part of Uke guarding this thread.
like if you can raise a child to believe in all the nonsense of the various religions - it's not at all a stretch to raise one to believe that at times they are masculine or femine enough to be trans at least enough to go with non-traditional pronouns
jbouton - No one actually talks like that.
I don't know what ur referring to
like if you can raise a child to believe in all the nonsense of the various religions - it's not at all a stretch to raise one to believe that at times they are masculine or femine enough to be trans at least enough to go with non-traditional pronouns
I think many came out of covid thinking they will let their child choose their gender as they grow into it.
I'm simply asking about that hypothetical. If we feel that doesn't exist, thats one possible response. It denies reality tho (such children do exist). And denies the existence of such a child, simply because of their stated genderlessness.
That parents are raising their children genderless from birth as a trend is certainly happening.
Sincere question - what do you mean when you say this? I understand that some parents are making an effort to ensure their kids aren't stereotyped into certain "gender norms" - IE dressing their kids in whatever colours, play with whatever toys, etc., to try to break out of gender biases. Or something like that, I'm certainly no expert on it. But it seems like you're talking about something beyond that, so I wonder what that looks like to you, or if you have any examples.
Oh, and I'm still wondering about this:
I think you need to clarify what you mean by "observer" and "participant". I think most people would assume an observer is someone on the sidelines watching the parade pass by, and a participant is someone in the parade itself, but this latest post of yours would suggest you mean something different.
my god, the amount of people who had perfectly normal children and would subject them to all sorts of autism testing and screening and didn't hide at all their excitement or disappointment in the results
there's a lot of parents who want their children to be unique or special and will seek that stuff out - the amount of perfectly normal children who are tested for autism each year because they did well on a math class is absurd
Do you really think this is all that widespread? I'm involved in education, and this isn't something I've ever observed as a common phenomenon. By which I mean, in a country like the US with 330 million+ people, you can find all sorts of truly absurd things that hundreds of thousands, or sometimes even million, of people believe, but that alone doesn't make those beliefs worthy of much notice by others.
i personally know a few people who were not so secretly hoping at least one of their children would come out as gay and then later on and to a much greater degree - autistic
Ok. I dunno, I'm pretty in the parenting world these days having young kids a huge portion of our friends are other people with kids and parents of our kids friends etc. I've never heard someone suggest even a hint of "OMG I AM SO HOPING MY KID HAS AUTISM".
Are you sure you aren't just making **** up? Like of course the internet is a big place so if you source of information is alt-right anti-trans twitter or whatever trying to push the most egregious examples of the bad lefties they can find I'm sure you can find examples of anything. Is this remotely representative of normal people?
Of course not.
But thanks for playing.
Sincere question - what do you mean when you say this? I understand that some parents are making an effort to ensure their kids aren't stereotyped into certain "gender norms" - IE dressing their kids in whatever colours, play with whatever toys, etc., to try to break out of gender biases. Or something like that, I'm certainly no expert on it. But it seems like you're talking about something beyond that, so I wonder what that looks like to y
Ya this is pretty common. I'd say I parent like that. I was just reading a book to my kids about a little boy whose shadow is pink and not blue, its a delightful allegory for being gay and loving who you are even if you are different.
But I think the extrapolation from this entirely reasonable and benign thing to these insane imaginations being projected ITT has little connection to most actual parents, even most left leaning parents.
