Israel/Palestine thread
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I'll rephrase what I said. I know that Arabs and Jews can get along on an individual basis. As a whole I do not think they will ever be compatible. Certainly the extremes on both side will prevent this from ever happening.
Yea it was 15 years long. It was an entire county. We bombed multiple cities and towns. We treated the civilians like people because we wanted to win their hearts and minds.
Gazans don't realize it now but Israel is liberating them from terrorism. Gazans need their main industry to change from terrorism to tourism. Just think if they would have taken the billions of dollars given to them and built up their infrastructure instead of spending it on Terror. They could be a Dubai or Singapore. Hatred and victim mentality is not gonna get these people anywhere. The Israelis have plenty of reason to hate but they choose progress. They choose treating people like human beings. Gaza needs a full makeover physically, logistically and mentally.
I'll rephrase what I said. I know that Arabs and Jews can get along on an individual basis. As a whole I do not think they will ever be compatible. Certainly the extremes on both side will prevent this from ever happening.
I think we should focus on defeating the extremists. They are not the people I want dictating anyhting
I think we should focus on defeating the extremists. They are not the people I want dictating anyhting
I think we should focus helping our allies and damaging our enemies.
Israel is our ally and Iran (with all his proxies) is our enemy.
So even if you believed the extremism was at the same level (I don't) it would still be imperative to side with Israel with no ifs and no buts
Gazans don't realize it now but Israel is liberating them from terrorism. Gazans need their main industry to change from terrorism to tourism. Just think if they would have taken the billions of dollars given to them and built up their infrastructure instead of spending it on Terror. They could be a Dubai or Singapore. Hatred and victim mentality is not gonna get these people anywhere. The Israelis have plenty of reason to hate but they c
At most they could be a Marsa Alam which would still be far better than present conditions
Gazans don't realize it now but Israel is liberating them from terrorism. Gazans need their main industry to change from terrorism to tourism. Just think if they would have taken the billions of dollars given to them and built up their infrastructure instead of spending it on Terror. They could be a Dubai or Singapore. Hatred and victim mentality is not gonna get these people anywhere. The Israelis have plenty of reason to hate but they c
sure but that doesnt mean its ok.
and in all major cities across america.
No problems?
Hamas plus all the many terrorist brigades. Also, the crazies rioting around the world. On the Israel side it is the religious Zionists in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. There are a handful of troublemakers in the the government but I wouldn't blame the entire government.
I said it’s a legal target. Dunno why you guys can’t figure out the diff between legal and military. One day you may be able to understand
Are people who materially support IDF innocent? How about ex IDF soldiers?
Are ex Hamas people innocent?
Nobody on either side cares about those definitions as they don't impact the morality of the situation. Every time you bring this up you just bog down the discussion.
Can we just agree that Arabs and Jews are not compatible and will never like each other?
I'm also on team disagree. The 2M living in Israel now also show a really good level of integration and understanding. I'm friends with plenty of Arabs.
Radicalized Arabs and Radicalized Jews? You're on to something.
I'll rephrase what I said. I know that Arabs and Jews can get along on an individual basis. As a whole I do not think they will ever be compatible. Certainly the extremes on both side will prevent this from ever happening.
Arabs were fine with Jews as a minority in their countries until 1948 (broadly speaking -- Jewish settlement in Palestine was already causing friction before then). The Nakba changed all that, but Egypt, Jordan and even Saudi have since reconciled themselves to Israel. The current situation is straining things, but we don't know how it will work out in the end.
Arabs were fine with Jews as a minority in their countries until 1948 (broadly speaking -- Jewish settlement in Palestine was already causing friction before then). The Nakba changed all that, but Egypt, Jordan and even Saudi have since reconciled themselves to Israel. The current situation is straining things, but we don't know how it will work out in the end.
I, and history, totally disagree with this.
Happy to send you what you should read/listen to. There's a reason the Brits left totally defeated by the conflict.
No problems?
That's a very dishonest post.
The dispute was over the screening of a film not an argument between neighbours.
That's a very dishonest post.
The dispute was over the screening of a film not an argument between neighbours.
The Jews quickly ran them out of there and it didn't look like a friendly goodbye. The UK police/crossing guards were of course useless. I have tons of other videos I can post showing the pro "Palestinian" crowd provoking problems with the Jews.
I'm also on team disagree. The 2M living in Israel now also show a really good level of integration and understanding. I'm friends with plenty of Arabs.
Radicalized Arabs and Radicalized Jews? You're on to something.
I since clarified my position. Certainly on an individual level Jews and Arabs can get along.
Are you friends with the Arabs or just friendly? If find Arabs tend to stick amongst themselves. Serious Muslims tend to look down on other people. Orthodox Jews are kind of the same way. This is my experience.
No problems?
That's a very dishonest post.
The dispute was over the screening of a film not an argument between neighbours.
The Jews quickly ran them out of there and it didn't look like a friendly goodbye. The UK police/crossing guards were of course useless. I have tons of other videos I can post showing the pro "Palestinian" crowd provoking problems with the Jews.
You're conflating one side with Arabs and the other with Jews, when clearly there were people involved who don't fit those identities (like the English racist far right on the Jewish side (for now)).
As I said, there are many parts of London where Arabs and Jews live quite happily as neighbours and have done for a long time. Cite or stop talking nonsense about something you don't have any idea about.
Not necessarily. Under the 1977 Protocols to the Geneva Conventions, 'civilians who directly take part in hostilities temporarily lose the protection provided for civilians, but only for the duration of their participation in the hostilities.' The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 already included as combatants 'members of other militias and members of volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements belonging to a party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied,' and even 'inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war'.
Protocol I says that combatants are 'the armed forces of a party to a conflict, and also groups and units that are under a command responsible to that party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that party is answerable to a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse party.' (Arts. 43 and 50, 1977.)
Guerrillas or irregular forces may conceal arms at times but must carry them openly during engagements to be recognised as combatants rather than criminals.
Handy guide to the law here:- https://guide-humanitarian-law.org/conte...
I, and history, totally disagree with this.
Happy to send you what you should read/listen to. There's a reason the Brits left totally defeated by the conflict.
The reason was Jewish settlement in Palestine with a view to takeover, like I said. That's what caused the problem and, given the violence of the eventual takeover, on land sacred to Arabs as well as Jews, that's what the Arabs didn't like, since the Zionists considered them (and still consider them) a negligible under-race to be swept aside, and, I mean, you wouldn't like that, would you? The British weren't exactly defeated, they just couldn't be bothered any more, regarding the two sides as irreconcilable, and had better things to do, like the NHS and new housing and gearing up against the Soviets.
I, and history, totally disagree with this.
Happy to send you what you should read/listen to. There's a reason the Brits left totally defeated by the conflict.
I thought you had previously cited the Jewish community doing pretty good in Baghdad before the 40's. Did you say they controlled like 75% of the import business?
