2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Which educated person considers the Democratic and Republican parties to be one party? Do they teach that in the ninth or tenth year of college?
The rest of your post is just completely incoherent. You must be so blinded by your hatred of America that you are having trouble thinking straight.
They're basically one party. I learned that in a sociology class my Sophomore year of college fwiw.
it took me a lot longer to learn that. but learning, albeit slowly, is the reason why Im not a liberal.
It was actually taught to me. We were reading books like C. Wright Mills' The Power Elite and the more updated Who Rules America.
It was taught to me by my teacher who also is a pro Palestinian Jewish person
If you are all so entrenched on the whole "there is only one political party" nonsense, then I am not really sure why you care enough to post in the 2024 election thread. Both parties are the same, right? Therefore there is no difference regarding the outcome in November. Maybe you just like the attention.
Both parties pro war, pro slavery, pro paid healthcare, pro war on drugs
BTW, you don't need a president to be a literal Fascist for that president to cause long lasting, sometimes irreparable damage to a country. See Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, James Buchanan, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon. Even worse than Trump's narcissism and authoritarian streak is his general incompetence and stupidity. We have already seen how our enemies capitalized on four years of Trump buffoonery, and we are headed for another fo
I disagree here too. I am quite thankful that Trump is an incompetent, functionally illterate moron.
I'll say again, in 2016 I felt just as you do. Attempting a coup is a really big deal in my eyes, though.
It is incredible how people that think they are smarter than everybody around them refuse to understand ordinary words in ordinary context. "Fascism? Why, that means whatever I want it to mean! You see, Hitler was bad and Trump is bad, therefore they are both Fascist! Don't tell me I cannot redefine words whenever I find it convenient, unless you are also a Fascist!"
Buddy, if you're going to just repeat what I say like a toddler, at least try to spice it up a little.
Can someone explain how the MAGA movement isn't fascist? Trump worked with many literal terrorists and nazis to try to overthrow US democracy on January 6 2021. They planned and coordinated for months with nazis to kill Mike Pence and keep MAGA in power. Currently, Trump refers to these nazis and terrorists as political prisoners and hostages.
If you are all so entrenched on the whole "there is only one political party" nonsense, then I am not really sure why you care enough to post in the 2024 election thread. Both parties are the same, right? Therefore there is no difference regarding the outcome in November. Maybe you just like the attention.
I don't really post in this thread.
Like how you highlight the first two sentences and completely ignore the next two sentences, which are an essential and defining part of Fascism. Didn't expect anything less from you.
How do the last two sentences not apply?
He thinks the world's highest incarceration rate is not high enough. 1,400 (in canada it's 24) people a year are killed by cops, he thinks it's good, or if anything too low.
He wants to round up and deport 15 million people. You cannot do this without making this even more of a police state. Pretty much impossible to have due process.
He wants to execute drug dealers.
He wants to use US military as death squads and send them to Mexico to kill narcos.
pw is right that the US already has a lot of fascist traits. It's not like we have a 10% higher incarceration rate than similar countries. It's 4x. It's not like the police kill at double the rate. It's like 8x.
I mean, if the police find a lot of cash on you they can just steal it and you have to hire a lawyer to prove you aren't a criminal. Every gambler I know is scared of the police and we have discussions about how to avoid them stealing your $.
The corporatist economy thing is not a 10/10 on Trump, but maybe a 4. As mentioned, he wanted to ban tok tok and when companies go against him, "make them pay."
Ultimately I don’t think it's a fruitful discussion and you might be right that it's a bad rhetorical strat. But it is def more is a hot dog a sandwich and less is orange juice a sandwich.
Can you explain why the coup attempt doesn’t matter?
if the coup was successful then the one party rule would be undeniably met.
So we can agree that Trump was attempting to do some things that would make the govt fascist.
Trump winning this election because Biden's brain is shutting down in front of the nation's eyes is just peak 2020s America.
If this were a TV series, people would call it lazy writing.
"This would never happen. The Dems would just have the man with the broken brain stand aside for one of any 5,000,000 other people who could beat Trump."
so dems are going to vote for trump now because they are surprised joe is old?
is that what we are running with for clicks today?
Seem people actually forgot it’s trump trying to be elected president .
Biden is currently running the country and I still wait for the ceiling to fall.
I still wait for the economy to fall.
I still wait for WW3 to start .
Nothing happening .
We have legalized slavery in America. Cops can kill Americans without repercussions. Billionaires payless in taxes than the average person.
I could continue but there’s no reason. Those three things are enough to prove a fascist society.
There is slavery in America today?
It isn’t just cops that can kill people without repercussions in America. Anyone can kill without repercussions if they have a good enough reason. Which is a great thing, because not being able to defend oneself would not be a fun place to be.
Having wealth isn’t a taxable event... that is true in a whole lot of other countries too. However, I would still argue even a billionaire with zero income on average pays way more in taxes than the average person (property taxes, sales tax, etc.)
3. Is the economy heavily controlled by the govt for the purpose of national unity? Yes this is why we bailout company’s and the stock market and make it illegal for the small guy to win. See GameStop for example
Dems are fighting for more regulation and repubs are fighting for less regulation so is your point that both want some control over the economy but dems want more control?
Also, it is widely accepted that dems want a bigger budget and repubs typically want a smaller one which equals less control. Some repubs are fighting to give up some give control in the education sector by trying to pass school choice which also equals less govt economic control. Dems want govt controlled universal healthcare which equals more economic control. Dems want to pick and choose what type of energy people use which equals more economic control. The list goes on.
noam chomsky, one of the smartest humans in the world.
https://chomsky.info/20081010/
"In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population."
I love america, prob more than you do. My family helped found the country, I lost a relat
Lol again. Chomsky is a linguist who proposed nutty theories even in his field. The only reason assume ever cites him is because he's the only 'public intellectual' who says such out there things.
There is slavery in America today?
It isn’t just cops that can kill people without repercussions in America. Anyone can kill without repercussions if they have a good enough reason. Which is a great thing, because not being able to defend oneself would not be a fun place to be.
Having wealth isn’t a taxable event... that is true in a whole lot of other countries too. However, I would still argue even a billionaire with zero income on average
Before I address your post. You’re correct, having wealth isn’t a taxable event.
Why is that?
Lol again. Chomsky is a linguist who proposed nutty theories even in his field. The only reason assume ever cites him is because he's the only 'public intellectual' who says such out there things.
He remains the most influential linguist of all time-- no one else has even come close-- he defined the entire field.
so dems are going to vote for trump now because they are surprised joe is old?
is that what we are running with for clicks today?
Biden won 2020 because of Covid. Why the dems have not realised this to have a replacement for 2024 is beyond me
And just to further emphasise this that Biden looks now to be close to as ghostly as one can get with his appearance, speech, mannerisms and movements and it was still evident back then in 2020 - it was very effective because at the time of the last election people were fearing for their lives from Covid so it was a good reminder to vote for him.
Most interesting theory I've seen today
And then he did the same exact Covid policies as Trump. Oh and before that he helped kill a bunch of election workers pre-vaccine bc he didn't want to give Bernie a chance at a longer primary.
