Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Rafiki, I can understand your frustration, and I’ve attempted to provide a bit of clarity on this issue. I agree and acknowledge that the “baby killer” issue happened and was a major issue of contention.
I notice all your instances are from before I took over the thread. I cannot go back in time and correct them or moderate them. I *have* undertaken a major effort to get certain issues to stop, and I think even Victor would agree he knows he
I pointed out a problematic post by Trolly in this thread just yesterday, asked you about it, and you refused to answer. That was in the present.
Rafiki, I can understand your frustration, and I’ve attempted to provide a bit of clarity on this issue. I agree and acknowledge that the “baby killer” issue happened and was a major issue of contention.
I notice all your instances are from before I took over the thread. I cannot go back in time and correct them or moderate them. I *have* undertaken a major effort to get certain issues to stop, and I think even Victor would agree he knows he
I just don’t know what the point is to carping incessantly over an issue that as far as I can tell has been fixed.
If it hasn’t been fixed, please show me. If it has been fixed, please move on from complaining about it in the moderation thread.
It has not been fixed, as of yesterday.
Rob, I also just want to ask you sincerely and from a problem solving perspective, do you believe me when I say that I am trying to be fair and honest with everyone?
If so, why take such an antagonistic tone with me when it would be SO much easier to be buddies who work together to resolve issues as a team and community?
I just messaged you yesterday saying that I think you are generally a good moderator and that you likely do try to be fair but that it is often tough for anyone to see their own biases, and some things shouldn't be done even just because of the possibile appearance of bias, like when a poster is banned by a mod who has expressed more animus towards that poster than I have ever seen here before.
I will remind you of the post but you didn't miss it at the time. It's the one The moderator from another thread said he would not have allowed, which seemed to annoy you.
I try my best not to be antagonistic, but after months to years of being attacked and mods ignoring my concerns, I get to a breaking point.
I just messaged you yesterday saying that I think you are generally a good moderator and that you likely do try to be fair but that it is often tough for anyone to see their own biases, and some things shouldn't be done even just because of the possibile appearance of bias, like when a poster is banned by a mod who has expressed more animus towards that poster than I have ever seen here before.
I will remind you of the post but you didn't mi
I don’t understand which rule you think that post violates? Maybe you can explain it to me.
Furthermore, I sent you proof in our PM exchange that Mets was banned by the moderator TEAM. Do you dispute that?
I have ALSO been transparent about my private conversations with Mets.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
Where is the “animus” in those messages, Rob?
*I* have never attacked you. *I* have never intentionally ignored you. You owe me an apology. As do several others ftr.
I don’t understand which rule you think that post violates? Maybe you can explain it to me.
Furthermore, I sent you proof in our PM exchange that Mets was banned by the moderator TEAM. Do you dispute that?
It's obviously a personal attack on me, and based on lies. D2 and I explained it in the posts, and the other mod agreed that it shouldnt be allowed.
Yes, I believe you that the mod team agreed to ban him. That is all the more reason why you shouldn't have been the one to pull the trigger.
You have previously stated that you were the one who actually put the ban in the system so you were the only one who removed it. Most of this conflict would have been avoided if one of the other mods had pulled the trigger and then told the forum "the mod team decided to ban Mets so I put the ban in the system".
He called *me* an antisemite so I was the one to ban him. I had told him over and over and over again to stop calling people antisemitic.
Yes, I banned him. He should have known that would happen based on what I showed you. None of the other mods want to deal with him; I was the last one.
And what is the personal attack? Explain it to me like I’m 5.
Argh, I didn't say there was animus in those messages.
From my post:
"a poster is banned by a mod who has expressed more animus towards that poster than I have ever seen here before."
You, Crossnerd, expressed severe animus towards Mets when you started participating a year or so ago.
You attacked him more personally and more ferociously than I have ever seen anyone do here. It was truly horrifying.
Someone already showed the post where you called him a "fascist little worm", and that was probably the mildest comment you made. Others seemed to be based on some kind of past relationship he had with a friend of yours, but I was never clear on that. It was clear that you thought he was a despicable person, and since that was the first thing I read from you, it seemed like you may have joined the discussion just to attack him.
cn, trolly's entire existence is to be as insulting as he possibly can while still remaining within the scope of the rules
it's frustrating when people who's sole purpose is to insult and antagonize are welcomed by mods whereas mets, whatever it was that he did, came out of passion and not a desire to be mean to others - as shown by the body of work of his 100k+ posts
He called *me* an antisemite so I was the one to ban him. I had told him over and over and over again to stop calling people antisemitic.
Yes, I banned him. He should have known that would happen based on what I showed you. None of the other mods want to deal with him; I was the last one.
Well, what's done is done now, but I doubt the other mods who didn't want to deal with him would have minded doing whatever was required to permanently ban him. I don't know the system, but I can't imagine it would have taken that much time or effort.
You attacked him more personally and more ferociously than I have ever seen anyone do here. It was truly horrifying
I called him a fascist worm one time in response to him calling my family fake Jews. I’ve undeleted any posts I’ve made toward Mets from before I was a mod. Feel free to cite.
I mean, here’s the thing. Victor and Mets were both given the same warning at the same time. Victor stopped calling people baby killers. Mets didn’t stop calling people antisemites. In fact, he went on several rampages that caused the thread to be closed more than once.
If Victor can be gone for a month and come back and not cause problems, that is fantastic.
If Mets can be gone for a month and come back and not cause problems, that would also be fantastic.
The issue is you guys are sort of leaning in to the issue that Mets is not causing problems, and also not listening to us when we tell you it’s true, so the odds of him returning are diminishing.
Please read the previous posts and later posts, mostly from Trolly, d2, and me. If you still don't see what the problem is, I guess I can try to explain it further, but I don't understand how it isn't clear already.
Not sure why you are wasting your time, Chill. When he does it, it isn't antagonistic, trolling, or personal attacks, but instead it is "sarcasm." And as our esteemed mod already told everybody when it comes to Trolly's behavior:
You aren't the first to make those complaints about Trolly. Browser let it slip once that he was one of the most frequently reported posters in this forum, and I highly doubt that has changed. He isn't going anywhere. The best thing you can do is just ignore him when he is trying to get a rise out of you. I guarantee seeing your complaints about him are making his night.
I called him a fascist worm one time in response to him calling my family fake Jews. I’ve undeleted any posts I’ve made toward Mets from before I was a mod. Feel free to cite.
Right, it's on me to try to find posts were possibly deleted, when several people here have mentioned them.
Maybe someone else will back me up like what just happened.
I don't know how anyone finds anything on this system except by scrolling backwards, which I guess you expect me to do in every thread just in case the posts haven't been deleted.
I have no motive to lie about this. I don't even particularly like Mets. I think you're generally a good moderator when it comes to things other than this exact issue.
I just don't like being gaslit and all the mods constantly ignoring my concerns.
I mean, you said it was “horrifying”.
I undeleted the post Boids has referred to.
It says “Mets is not a parent”. You can search for it now.
I mean, here’s the thing. Victor and Mets were both given the same warning at the same time. Victor stopped calling people baby killers. Mets didn’t stop calling people antisemites. In fact, he went on several rampages that caused the thread to be closed more than once.
If Victor can be gone for a month and come back and not cause problems, that is fantastic.
If Mets can be gone for a month and come back and not cause problems, that would als
As Mets' representative I cannot overstress how unfair it would be for Mets to not return due to posts made by Chillrob.
As Mets' representative I cannot overstress how unfair it would be for Mets to not return due to posts made by Chillrob.
Maybe Mets might want me to make it clear that he is very much aware, as are you, that it was moderation TEAM decision after multiple warnings from the mod TEAM?
Would he like to do that, LB? Would you?
Not sure why you are wasting your time, Chill. When he does it, it isn't antagonistic, trolling, or personal attacks, but instead it is "sarcasm." And as our esteemed mod already told everybody when it comes to Trolly's behavior:
You aren't the first to make those complaints about Trolly. Browser let it slip once that he was one of the most frequently reported posters in this forum, and I highly doubt that has changed. He isn't going any
Yes, I remember that, but no one of even slightly below average intelligence couldn't easily see that the kind of thing I complained about is "just sarcasm". Plus it is very easy to see that he is only here to insult people, not to contribute to the discussions.
As said above, posters like Mets and, even more heinously, like Victor do go over the line, but it seems to be from passion about an issue, and they both often contribute towards discussions. Trolly's ONLY reason to be here is to attack and insult. It's even in his name! I think that should easily be a reason for a permaban, and I truly can't understand why any mod who has ever been here would allow him to continue.
cn i haven't witnessed the aids of i/p so have no idea what had happened
i'm just saying that guys like mets are regular people who are normally good posters and good people who interact with others well who may just be dealing with an issue that they feel extremely passionate about
whereas trolly is just a worthless troll every single day and has never been anything other than that - i've had him on block for years
I mean, you said it was “horrifying”.
I undeleted the post Boids has referred to.
It says “Mets is not a parent”. You can search for it now.
Yes it was horrifying, and?
It was not about him not being a parent. And I cannot search for that anyway, as I have told you several times already. Who is speaking in bad faith now?
Report posts that you feel violate the rules. Otherwise I’m not sure wish this discussion is for.
Nobody is getting banned because others request it. Goodnight.
Yes it was horrifying, and?
It was not about him not being a parent. And I cannot search for that anyway, as I have told you several times already. Who is speaking in bad faith now?
The post you’re referring to literally said “Mets is not a parent”. That’s the horrifying post Boids has been referring to. Sorry if you were taken in by it.
