2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Legit hilarious that the democratic party finally realized that Trump just hates to be laughed at. That's it. Full stop.
Will be interesting to see if he debates. He almost has to, no?
Has he said he won't, or just that he won't under the terms agreed to vs Biden?
Kamala should be happy to debate him with Fox hosts, no?
Really the move for Dems should be to get Trump on stage as much as possible.
For Trump's campaign, it should be to limit the orange man as much as possible. Of course he won't bow down or be laughed at as you say, so he'll probably buckle either way.
do you still feel this way given the vp rally scheduled for Philly and Shapiro canceling fundraising trip this weekend? serious question and not snarky rhetorical
I’m not as confident but yes, I’m trusting the insight I was given and Beshear went from +450 when I posted that to like +900 back to +450
Legit hilarious that the democratic party finally realized that Trump just hates to be laughed at. That's it. Full stop.
Will be interesting to see if he debates. He almost has to, no?
Trump is still leading. If Harris doesn't get a sustained bump from the convention and picking a VP I'd be tempted to just keep him and definitely JD away from the spotlight as much as possible if I was running his campaign.
Trump was basically the same price to win before and after Biden dropping out. It was an inevitable thing that would happen at some point, the only question being how quickly the Dems acted to minimise the damage to their campaign. It was priced in. I mean I'm sorry for the hard left here (for which there are plenty) that they took way, way too long to do anything, but clarksonohnoanyway.gif
What are the odds now?
I'm not a fan of the format, putting both parties on the same level of stupidity imo.
I always thought one major part of democrats appeal was to not go as low as the GOP.
This could create more disgust and tiredness than positiveness for the left.
It could also rile the MAGAs up.
I get what they are trying to do here, I think it's bad and missing the goal.
Maybe this is some scientific approach and they know some % will take the bait.
MAGAs are also weird and funny tho
I'm not a fan of the format, putting both parties on the same level of stupidity imo.
I always thought one major part of democrats appeal was to not go as low as the GOP.
This could create more disgust and tiredness than positiveness for the left.
It could also rile the MAGAs up.
I get what they are trying to do here, I think it's bad and missing the goal.
Maybe this is some scientific approach and they know some % will take the bait.
I think we are long past the idea of taking the high road being an effective political strategy
Oh trying to take the high ground against an id monster like Trump is useless. Punch it in the id, laugh at it and call it weird and a loser - and list everything it's been a loser at, over and over - anything that makes its small dick energy burst free for all to see.
I think we are long past the idea of taking the high road being an effective political strategy
The high road is the healthy approach, but I agree with you in that it is simply not effective. We're in a world of three-second headlines, attention spans counted in about the same and whatever is negative or dramatic gets promoted and creates engagement while the rest is left behind.
Whether we'll have free societies left for long enough to turn that trend around remains to be seen. I don't think we can keep this up and expect anything good in the end. While being serious and informed is perhaps not always entertaining, you kind of need it to tackle serious problems.
It seems what clever people is forced to be doing these days is to focus on the latest stupidity or invented lie from demagogues and their millions of fans. And it isn't as easy as ignoring it, because of the power of social media to influence and steer society in specific directions. It is bigger than individual influence.
It's basically how we ended up with Trump. While US politics has always been messy, the last 8 years has been almost exclusively "Trump said" - and the things he does say is typically stupid enough to make the miserable drunk down at the local pub look like a glorious fountain of wisdom. I genuinely wonder at how many millions or billions of hours clever people have wasted on Trumpism.
The high road is the healthy approach, but I agree with you in that it is simply not effective. We're in a world of three-second headlines, attention spans counted in about the same and whatever is negative or dramatic gets promoted and creates engagement while the rest is left behind.
Whether we'll have free societies left for long enough to turn that trend around remains to be seen. I don't think we can keep this up and expect anything g
After this, explain to me why actual centrist democrats in purple or red areas poll far better than the actual leftist democrats, if we are in the "3 seconds headlines" , actual policy preference don't matter and so on.
People in the USA skew to the right of the democratic party in many areas, in enough of them to require democratic candidates for president to be perceived as "not too leftist" to win, usually.
You ended with Trump because the democratic party, against the will of americans, moved too much to the left on enough issues that people said "enough".
Instead of undemocratically trying to force the preferences of elite over the population, you should try again to listen to what they want and deliver that. If you do given the current economic fundamentals it's a super easy win.
It's basically how we ended up with Trump. While US politics has always been messy, the last 8 years has been almost exclusively "Trump said" - and the things he does say is typically stupid enough to make the miserable drunk down at the local pub look like a glorious fountain of wisdom. I genuinely wonder at how many millions or billions of hours clever people have wasted on Trumpism.
Yeah, right after Jan 6th it looked there was chance we could move on. But conservatives chose not to. It's still 50-50 between trump and a random Dem. So I think it's important to point out how strange and unamerican modern conservatism is.
Vance being potentially a heartbeat away from the Presidency is hilarious though. Like pound for pound between him and say Michelle Obama, easy choice. You can give the nuclear codes to just one of them? Snap choice.
Vance being potentially a heartbeat away from the Presidency is hilarious though. Like pound for pound between him and say Michelle Obama, easy choice. You can give the nuclear codes to just one of them? Snap choice.
It's funny, I thought Vance was good assassination protection for Trump. Meaning would be less likely for people to assassinate Trump if version 2.0 was going to come in.
But now it seems Trump is just good assassination protection for himself. The more he talks, the less people want to vote for him.
Yeah, right after Jan 6th it looked there was chance we could move on. But conservatives chose not to. It's still 50-50 between trump and a random Dem. So I think it's important to point out how strange and unamerican modern conservatism is.
Modern conservatism is certainly a lot of things, and regretfully American appears to be one of them, at least if the quantity of its adherents there is anything to go by. In fact, one could probably argue that America invented "modern conservatism".
Modern conservatism is certainly a lot of things, and regretfully American appears to be one of them, at least if the quantity of its adherents there is anything to go by. In fact, one could probably argue that America invented "modern conservatism".
They just spend so much time criticizing American institutions, pop culture etc. Like Trump recently said he'd throw Mark Zukerberg in jail if he's elected. Nobody cared because it's Trump and well Zukerberg but it should be pointed out how strange it wold be for other people at or aspiring to high positions in government to randomly threaten business leaders based on nothing.
Well! Well! Well!
It appears Bidenomics hasn't worked out so well. The markets are crashing and the economy is collapsing before our very eyes. This can't be good for the Harris campaign.
Market now trading at levels not seen since June 2024. I'm just glad I have 10 years worth of military rations in my bunker.
Well! Well! Well!
It appears Bidenomics hasn't worked out so well. The markets are crashing and the economy is collapsing before our very eyes. This can't be good for the Harris campaign.
Man pls.
Btw let's make a thing clear: if unemployment reaches 4.7/4.8 (U3) and inflation crashes to a yoy reading of 1.5 or lower by the time people can start voting by mail, that's beneficial to democrats in aggregate.
For the 1 person every 100 who is unemployed (and in some cases it's just someone who reactivated looking for a job without success, as participation rate went up 0.1) there are 99 paying less for stuff (yoy 1.5 or lower means monthly reduction of prices given past inflation)
Well! Well! Well!
It appears Bidenomics hasn't worked out so well. The markets are crashing and the economy is collapsing before our very eyes. This can't be good for the Harris campaign.
I personally wouldn't call a 2.64% drop this week to be a "market crash" but wtf do I know? It looks like a pretty small downward blip to me when you look at the performance of the markets this year.
