2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Sanders was on “corporate” media every week for years. Reality just does not conform to your narrative. They helped make him one of the most powerful/influential senators in the country, when in 2015 most barely knew who he was.
yep. paid opposition is worthwhile for all involved.
An exaggeration, but yeah, he's a Senator. They'll have any Congressperson that wants to come on. They've given plenty of time to right-wing lunatic Congresspeople.
People like Sanders (relative to other politicians, certainly), and will watch him speak. Clicks. Eyeballs. This is the incentive. But they were straight terrified of the prospect of him becoming POTUS.
They were not. They gave him a ton of attention in 2016 because he was new and they needed something to cover besides Clinton on the Dem side. If you just created a computer model and blindly calculated is odds of winning h didn't have much of s chance. He owes a lot to the media for his improved stature in the party.
There are tons of examples of mainstream media ignoring/downplaying his successes in the 2020 primary.
He came in as one of the favorites and didn't really preform well. Ut's not the media's job to hype up Sanders. When you are already a national figure, with a ton of money and put a ton of resources into Iowa and basically tie with a previously unknown candidate, they re going to cover the new dude. IKt'a not anti-Sanders bias, it would happen to anyone and is only an example of the media not unfairly propping up Sanders.
no anti-sanders bias among the establishment
lmao
Lol at a a senator chairing the budget committee not being among the "establishment".
CNN kickstarted the ‘biden needs to go’ movement literally the second the debate ended
CNN kickstarted the ‘biden needs to go’ movement literally the second the debate ended
And a few days before they were defending him. They didn't kickstart it. Others had been said it for months or years. But of course can't trust right wing media as they are misleading. It's only an accurate kickstart of calling him to step down once cnn or nyt say it. Embarrassing.
no, nobody said it before nyt/cnn did following the debate. it's wild, but literally not one person noticed that genocide joe was old as **** and brain-melted
no, nobody said it before nyt/cnn did following the debate. it's wild, but literally not one person noticed that genocide joe was old as **** and brain-melted
It’s funny because I’ve been privately voicing my concern about his age and ability for the last year or so among family and friends, and everyone would just get mad at me. I’ve been basking in the I Told You So glow ever since he made the announcement.
it's honestly insane that he apparently hasn't attended a cabinet meeting since before 10/7/23. why is he still president right now? seriously who is actually running the country? who is making the important decisions? does anybody know? wild stuff, wattba
Maybe you don't know much about the federal government? Bill Clinton held around 2 cabinet meetings a year. Nothing typically gets done in cabinet meetings, I imagine.
hmm i guess the budget committee matters a lot then given that the cabinet doesn't
Who said the cabinet doesn’t matter? A meeting with all cabinet members where the secretary of defense is forced to listen to the secretary of agriculture or whoever is just a waste of time. As a middle manager, I can tell you meeting with all other people at my level and our collective boss is a huge waste of time.
For what it's worth, Kamala very well could've been the pick if a wide net was cast. I'm not saying she wouldn't have been or doesn't deserve to be. But when you only cast a small net your process is tarnished by woke virus.
I'm gonna go ahead and demand the guys I have no plan to vote for spend all the money vetting every single person in the country to find the best possible VP candidate ok? Because merit.
Has there been a more undemocratic nominee put up for president by either party before than Kamala?
I'd probably guess Ford. Dude got a battlefield commission into the oval without getting a single vote from the public and then had the stones to run as an incumbent and lost lol
it's honestly insane that he apparently hasn't attended a cabinet meeting since before 10/7/23. why is he still president right now? seriously who is actually running the country? who is making the important decisions? does anybody know? wild stuff, wattba
Maybe you don't know much about the federal government? Bill Clinton held around 2 cabinet meetings a year. Nothing typically gets done in cabinet meetings, I imagine.
the genocide machine runs on autopilot
They were not. They gave him a ton of attention in 2016 because he was new and they needed something to cover besides Clinton on the Dem side. If you just created a computer model and blindly calculated is odds of winning h didn't have much of s chance. He owes a lot to the media for his improved stature in the party.
He came in as one of the favorites and didn't really preform well. Ut's not the media's job to hype up Sanders. When
The way I see it, Sanders is popular among the "protesting left" because he can be their own individual symbolic martyr. Since he never got the stage of making deals and compromises to win at the national level as a candidate, he also enjoys the unvarnished shine of ideological purity.
Had he become the candidate, my wager is that it wouldn't have taken long before we started seeing "I'm so disappointed with" or "Why I won't vote for" headlines cropping up all over the place. Some of them fake without a doubt, but they'd probably find a lot of nodding heads.
Of course, that is just my take based on my perception of the political "far" left for many, many years. I find it to be an ineffective, poorly organized movement largely defined by what they dislike rather than what they would support.
And a few days before they were defending him. They didn't kickstart it. Others had been said it for months or years. But of course can't trust right wing media as they are misleading. It's only an accurate kickstart of calling him to step down once cnn or nyt say it. Embarrassing.
is the "defending him" in the room with us right now?
rightfully calling out that the nypost deliberately edited videos isn't "defending biden". it's just not being lying hacks like nypost/fox news are..
is the "defending him" in the room with us right now?
rightfully calling out that the nypost deliberately edited videos isn't "defending biden". it's just not being lying hacks like nypost/fox news are..
They "defended" him for months. Let's at least be honest here.
Libtards backing up Biden's health, mental acuity and the failure of MSM or DNC to do anything about it until post debate is the most laughable position of this election cycle.
the NYT said not to believe your lying eyes
4 more years!!!
They were not. They gave him a ton of attention in 2016 because he was new and they needed something to cover besides Clinton on the Dem side. If you just created a computer model and blindly calculated is odds of winning h didn't have much of s chance. He owes a lot to the media for his improved stature in the party.
He came in as one of the favorites and didn't really preform well. Ut's not the media's job to hype up Sanders. When
The way I see it, Sanders is popular among the "protesting left" because he can be their own individual symbolic martyr. Since he never got the stage of making deals and compromises to win at the national level as a candidate, he also enjoys the unvarnished shine of ideological purity.
Had he become the candidate, my wager is that it wouldn't have taken long before we started seeing "I'm so disappointed with" or "Why I won't vote for" headli
Both good points.
Sanders can continue to be popular because he was never going to win a presidential election. If anything, he got much more attention than his performance warranted. As Tame mentioned, if he had been elected, it would only be a matter of time before the former supporters started hating on him, calling him a "liberal" (in the Victor sense), and turned their back on him.
It isn't necessarily that nothing is ever good enough for the far left, but rather that people on both extremes of the political spectrum are less about actual political change being made and more about venting their anger and frustration. Both extremes attract disaffected people that are generally just angry and use politics as a proxy to vent their anger. The same way the far right is adept at attracting the "angry, confused white man", the far left is similarly adept at attracting the angry and confused.
If Bernie or AOC were to suddenly become president, there would be a brief moment of elation, followed by a swift reversion to the natural state: anger. Nothing would ever be good enough, because that is not the point of supporting fringe candidates. The point of supporting fringe candidates is because "I am angry and I have to justify my anger somehow!" We have seen this dynamic play out in these very forums with certain users.
The only times that these extreme candidates get elected is when everybody is angry, and there is usually a precipitating event that makes society as a whole so angry. The Treaty of Versailles and then Great Depression did it for Germany. The defeat in WWI did it for Russia. Loss of standing in the world and several humiliating military defeats did it for China.
They "defended" him for months. Let's at least be honest here.
Libtards backing up Biden's health, mental acuity and the failure of MSM or DNC to do anything about it until post debate is the most laughable position of this election cycle.
would probably be easy to find examples then, one would think.. again calling out the right wing media lying isn't defending him, it's just the base line credibility. i understand republicans confusion though since they are used to just blatant falsehoods.
I am not hand waving anything away . The reality is Fox is trying to get Trump elected and CNN and MSNBC are trying to get a Democrat elected.
That's precisely what you're doing.
Both sides!!11!1!!!
If you really can't acknowledge that Fox has no credibility or right to be a home for a debate this election, I don't know what to tell you. Personally, I think there should be some consequences for what they did, beyond giving up some of their profits for one year. It's beyond ridiculous that any news organization, whatever side of the political spectrum they might lean towards, should be effectively found guilty of blatantly lying to benefit a presidential candidate, and then be permitted to host a debate involving the same candidate. Preposterous.
would probably be easy to find examples then, one would think.. again calling out the right wing media lying isn't defending him, it's just the base line credibility. i understand republicans confusion though since they are used to just blatant falsehoods.
It's hard to find existence of nothing. That's the point. There's nothing attacking Biden's mental acuity or lack thereof. In fact it's all the opposite. There's endless clips of MSM saying he's sharp as a tack, etc.
