In other news
In the current news climate we see that some figures and events tend to dominate the front-pages heavily. Still, there are important, interesting or just plain weird things happening out there and a group of people can find these better than one.
I thought I would test with a thread for linking general news articles about "other news" and discussion. Perhaps it goes into the abyss that is page 2 and beyond, but it is worth a try.
Some guidelines:
- Try to find the "clean link", so that links to the news site directly and not a social media site. Avoid "amp-links" (google).
- Write some cliff notes on what it is about, especially if it is a video.
- It's not an excuse to make outlandish claims via proxy or link extremist content.
- If it's an editorial or opinion piece, it is polite to mark it as such.
- Note the language if it is not in English.
- There is no demand that such things be posted here, if you think a piece merits its own thread, then make one.
https://www.razibkhan.com/p/more-than-ki...
--I think Lucium might find this interesting, but genetic analysis indicates Ashkenazi Jews are genetically basically Italian. The author doesn't really get into how this may have happened, but intuitively one could speculate that at some point in the past there was a conversion event (despite the fact Jews generally dont facilitate conversion) where a bunch of Italians converted
Not sure what the specific ancient italian population might have been, they could be kin to a specific italian subpopulation in the north-east, which to this day has the highest IQ in italy (i am not from there so this is not self-serving). Friuli-venezia-giulia (the small region bordering slovenia) has the best PISA scores as well in italy.
It's the area which was for long under austro-hungarian control, area around Trieste. Ofc in order to confirm this the genetical proximity of ashkenazis should be checked with slovenians and eastern austrians
Well obviously Italians score highest on the Pisa test. Sounds rigged.
Not sure what the specific ancient italian population might have been, they could be kin to a specific italian subpopulation in the north-east, which to this day has the highest IQ in italy (i am not from there so this is not self-serving). Friuli-venezia-giulia (the small region bordering slovenia) has the best PISA scores as well in italy.
It's the area which was for long under austro-hungarian control, area around Trieste. Ofc in order to
The guy whose sub stack I got the free part of that article from is a geneticist, who I follow on Twitter, and he said to be careful with this type of information when you come across it. Because often the person interpreting the results has a political agenda, and they often try to shape the data to fit their politics. He says he does his best not to do this, but he is human like the rest of us, so who knows how good a job he does.
He has written sub stack articles on the subject (which I am not a member and cant see). But from the parts of the articles I can see, he intimates generally they seem to originate from a very small founder population (possibly as small as 350 individuals) somewhere in that part of the world (Central/Eastern Europe).
And when I said they are "Italian" that might be technically incorrect depending on your viewpoint, because the Italians they are genetically closest too very likely also emigrated from Central/Eastern Europe and are genetically distinct from Southern Italians.
The guy whose sub stack I got the free part of that article from is a geneticist, who I follow on Twitter, and he said to be careful with this type of information when you come across it. Because often the person interpreting the results has a political agenda, and they often try to shape the data to fit their politics. He says he does his best not to do this, but he is human like the rest of us, so who knows how good a job he does.
He h
Oh i know who the guy is
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kre...
Wild story. Imagine being the children. "Oh yeah I grew up speaking Spanish because my parents were deep under cover"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kre...
Wild story. Imagine being the children. "Oh yeah I grew up speaking Spanish because my parents were deep under cover"
Well, the story says the parents were in jail and the kids were in some sort of foster care system. I do wonder what the kids were told as to what was going on.
PARIS — Anne Hidalgo is not holding back.
When religious and political officials voiced outrage in response to the 2024 Paris Olympics opening ceremony, the International Olympic Committee chose diplomacy, apologizing to anyone who may have been offended.
Hidalgo, on the other hand, said, “**** the reactionaries, **** this far right, **** all of those who would like to lock us into a war of all against all,” in an interview with Le Monde published Tuesday, using the expletive in the original English.
an actual genocide is happening right now, hindus are being butchered by islamic terrorists in Bangladesh. Their crime apparently being existing as a non-muslim minority in a muslim majority country.
Not a blip by the pro palestine crowd
an actual genocide is happening right now, hindus are being butchered by islamic terrorists in Bangladesh. Their crime apparently being existing as a non-muslim minority in a muslim majority country.
Not a blip by the pro palestine crowd
Oh you could add more countries than that like Yemen and Sudan
I think some of you are confused because there is a thing... autogenocide
3 italian young women in Ragusa, Sicily, were molested by an immigrant from Bangladesh and a friend of his.
They managed to discover where one of the two molester lived, organized a punitive expedition against him, massacred him with punches and kicks then stabbed him (1 month prognosis, no organ damage).
https://www.quotidianodiragusa.it/2024/0...
Thoughts on the morality of their reaction? should it be praised? disliked but allowed? prosecuted as we would prosecute unprovoked violence? prosecuted with higher severity because cold vengeance is something society should fight against?
bad because it's "self made justice" or good because it's actual justice and it doesn't matter how it happens? bad because they should have killed him?
Events like this are those where i envy the american justice system where a prosecutor could just go and say "i am not going to prosecute them because i think they did the right thing", while in Italy that wouldn't be legal.
EDIT: note, they tried to go to the police at first, police was notified of the sexual aggression and did nothing as usual
I'm sure you know this already, but the same reasons why you consider courts and trials a good thing are the reasons why vigilante justice is a bad thing. In a civilised society, we entrust judges and juries rather than emotionally charged mobs to determine guilt or innocence, levels of culpability, and appropriate punishment.
Your edit was after I wrote my response. That's quite an important piece of information, so it's rather odd you chose to add it as an afterthought. Why did the police do nothing? If it's because of lack of evidence, how can you be so sure they are actually guilty?
I'm sure you know this already, but the same reasons why you consider courts and trials a good thing are the reasons why vigilante justice is a bad thing. In a civilised society, we entrust judges and juries rather than emotionally charged mobs to determine guilt or innocence, levels of culpability, and appropriate punishment.
yes, so the question is what to do when law enforcement and judges abdicate their roles for whatever reasons, what's the moral choice (i know what the legal answer is: you do nothing and suffer).
(we don't have juries btw)
yes, so the question is what to do when law enforcement and judges abdicate their roles for whatever reasons, what's the moral choice (i know what the legal answer is: you do nothing and suffer).
(we don't have juries btw)
We need more information as to what the "whatever reason" is before we can reach this question.
Your edit was after I wrote my response. That's quite an important piece of information, so it's rather odd you chose to add it as an afterthought. Why did the police do nothing? If it's because of lack of evidence, how can you be so sure they are actually guilty?
It's normal in Italy to do nothing in cases like this because they know the judge would release the suspect anyway . Basically you need exceptional proof and gravity to even have them moving.
It's normal in Italy to do nothing in cases like this because they know the judge would release the suspect anyway . Basically you need exceptional proof and gravity to even have them moving.
So your question is "if our criminal justice system is ineffectual and irreparably broken, is vigilante justice acceptable and/or desirable", correct?
We need more information as to what the "whatever reason" is before we can reach this question.
For the judges, they are simply exceptionally lenient with immigrants except in the most clear cut cases, because of ideology, imagine san francisco prosecutors but that's the normal italian judge.
Yes except it doesn't require the entire system to be broken, just the one dealing with your specific grievance
I somehow doubt that the evidence for the guilt of these individuals is as clear cut as you claim, or that the criminal justice system as ineffectual as you claim, but let's assume for the sake of this discussion that it is. My concern isn't so much what you do to the rapists, my concern is what happens when you mistakenly label someone as a rapist because of the colour of their skin or for whatever other reason. Are you OK with lynching a few innocent people to make sure you dispense punishment to the guilty? If yes, would you still feel the same way if you or someone you care about ends up being one of those innocent people, since it's for the greater good? I, personally, am not OK with that.
I somehow doubt that the evidence for the guilt of these individuals is as clear cut as you claim, or that the criminal justice system as ineffectual as you claim, but let's assume for the sake of this discussion that it is. My concern isn't so much what you do to the rapists, my concern is what happens when you mistakenly label someone as a rapist because of the colour of their skin or for whatever other reason. Are you OK with lynching a
Let's just assume as in most cases of normal aggression, the victims know 100% well that it happened, but it's impossible to prove.
That's very common even before we discuss law enforcement and judicial behaviour.
And talk about it morally not legally, like you know someone and he tells you he has been a victim of unprovable aggression, would you morally justify vengeance? i would for sure.
I understand why legally in aggregate doing that would allow nefarious people to falsely claim they have been victims and so on.
Let's just assume as in most cases of normal aggression, the victims know 100% well that it happened, but it's impossible to prove.
That's very common even before we discuss law enforcement and judicial behaviour.
And talk about it morally not legally, like you know someone and he tells you he has been a victim of unprovable aggression, would you morally justify vengeance? i would for sure.
I understand why legally in aggregate doing that wou
Well, yeah, you've just articulated why we have courts rather than medieval style vigilante justice, why we need evidence other than victim statements, and why we have considerations in sentencing other than victim impact statements.
On the flip side of the coin, what is your opinion on the view that victims of sexual violence are always to be believed, no matter what? I suspect you don't subscribe to this view.
As to why i would believe the victims in this specific case, if 3 women organize to beat a man it's basically impossible they are making stuff up, they need to have a reason about something very bad that man did to them, wouldn't you agree?
would be different if the "punitive expedition" was made up of 3 well built men with a history of violent racism or other personal anti immigrant ideology or what not.
As to why i would believe the victims in this specific case, if 3 women organize to beat a man it's basically impossible they are making stuff up, they need to have a reason about something very bad that man did to them, wouldn't you agree?
would be different if the "punitive expedition" was made up of 3 well built men with a history of violent racism or other personal anti immigrant ideology or what not.
I mean, if you want to get into the weeds and start making very strict rules about the evidence required before vigilante justice can be dispensed, the amount of "justice" that can be dispensed, and who is allowed to dispense it, great, I'm down with that. And congratulations, you've just re-invented the court system from first principles.
