Request to Recuse ganstaman from Trans-Identity Discussion
I’m writing to request that ganstaman be recused from moderating the ongoing discussion on trans-identity. While I fully support the right of every individual to be respected and treated with dignity, I believe that the role of a moderator should be to facilitate open and honest discussion rather than enforce a particular viewpoint (especially one lacking in evidence).
In this case, the moderator has made it clear that any dissent from the idea that trans identities are unquestionably valid will be met with infractions or bans:
I'm not asking you to accept that trans people are really trans, but I will infract and ban for you saying otherwise. It's not just false, it's also hurtful and turns these threads into flaming garbage instead of discussions about real issues impacting real people.
This approach not only stifles meaningful debate but also precludes the possibility of discussing the underlying issues in a way that respects differing perspectives. Forcing participants to agree with a particular stance under threat of punitive action is essentially begging the question and shutting down any chance for genuine dialogue.
Furthermore, conflating critical discussion with hateful speech does a disservice to both the conversation and the individuals involved. There is a significant difference between engaging in a reasoned discussion about complex issues and engaging in actual hate speech. By equating the two, ganstaman is not only censoring valid points of view but also undermining the purpose of the forum as a space for robust and nuanced discourse. What's the point of having this thread in the first place if the moderator has already decided on the answer? I am not the only person to notice and have an issue with this, either.
This kind of authoritarian moderation approach can be perceived as fascist, as it seeks to suppress free speech and enforce a singular perspective without allowing for the open exchange of ideas. It’s critical that we maintain the integrity of our discussions by ensuring that all voices are heard and that moderators facilitate rather than dictate the direction of the conversation. I'd prefer the moderator respond to actual incidents of flaming/trolling than delete my posts under the guise of preventing such a thing from being catalyzed.
I urge the admins to consider these points and take appropriate action to recuse ganstaman from moderating this particular discussion. A more balanced approach is essential for fostering a healthy and productive debate on this important topic. At the very least, I'd love to know whether 2+2 is officially captured by the gender cult so I can kick rocks and fully disavow the board.
Cheers,
Phresh / -Skeme-
Abide by the rules of the site and subforum, or leave. Those are your available options.
Absolutely unequivocally the answer is NO.
Go elsewhere if that’s what you want to post about. It is not welcome here.
It is quite hilarious you don't see how you're just confirming the accusations thrown at you over and over and over again with language like the above.
But I'll concede. I'm here mostly for poker anyways.
And to originalgangster, we are aware you are a formerly banned poster on a new account.
Keep this up and I will one touch ban and wipe your posts. I am very serious. It’s enough.
lol called it. But he told us so seriously he read an entire 8000 post thread on the toilet that’s how he has intimate knowledge of multiple moderation eras!
It is quite hilarious you don't see how you're just confirming the accusations thrown at you over and over and over again with language like the above.
But I'll concede. I'm here mostly for poker anyways.
Accuse me of whatever you’d like. This site will not become a refuge for hate speech.
I’m sure there are alternative websites that would allow your varying opinions on the subject. Stormfront, for instance.
You will need to accept they will not be allowed *here*.
To elaborate, I tried creating a new thread more on topic a while back, but it was deleted because there already was the trans thread. It’s hypocritical to do that and then complain that posts are not on topic with the OP of the existing thread.
Think of it like court:
The judge doesn’t entertain lay opinions on subjects requiring expertise through education, training and practice. On complicated medical issues, a court does have to hear medical doctors’ opinions unless they practice I that specialized area. Most of the yahoos that want to express they think being trans is a mental illness have no medical qualifications whatsoever. Recitals of antidotal evidence as a basis for claimed expertise rarely passes the smell test nor does it here.
The court will hear certain lay opinions but for the most part want facts, not opinions, from lay people.
If you can’t keep the previously ruled upon lay opinion to yourself, go elsewhere or get banned. You won’t be missed.
In court, a judge typically just rules on which experts are permitted to testify as experts, and both sides bring their own experts to testify.
In court, a judge typically just rules on which experts are permitted to testify as experts, and both sides bring their own experts to testify.
I only see one expert in the thread- ganstaman. Lozen, Rroll and the banned internist certainly don’t qualify as experts and we don’t need to listen to their medical diagnosis of people’s mental status.
Someone needs to fix this thread title. Surely it would be more accurate that we need to RESCUE ganstaman from that "discussion".
Rescue the whole site by closing politics. Make it redirect to Unstuck or something whenever you try to visit.
neil has the answer
Perhaps you could allow a separate thread in which people can debate whether or not trans is a mental illness, social contagion, etc. There are many legitimate theories regarding this and I think a lot of frustration people have is the inability to explore these things.
Yeah sure and while we're at I, let's also allow a thread to discuss white supremacy and the inferiority of women compared to men.
I recommend you find some right winged forums and sprout your garbage over there and leave 2+2 a better place tyvm
Remove mods from the politics forum. Make it a rule that if you want to be a poster in the politics forum, you are now contained to posting in that sub-forum alone. Let the crazy people run rampant in their own yard and eventually die out. You people are dumb, yet you all think you are super smart...you are not. **** you. The former owners were close to shutting you down several times, an even did a couple of times, but the fools kept giving you outs. You people are simply too stupid to have on a public forum. You are fun to watch, but omfg you suck.
Idiots
Just re-read my own post, and gave myself a thumbs-up.
Rescue the whole site by closing politics. Make it redirect to Unstuck or something whenever you try to visit.
I've thought so too at times
The central purpose of having a Politics forum on 2+2 is to serve as a containment forum. It prevents unending tireless political posts ("discussion") from infesting other 2+2 forums.
but this is the real answer.
I have a provocative suggestion: Sammy 4 politics mod! 😆
Seconded!
