The costs of trans visibility

I’ll finish with..

The self + soul has a masculine side and a feminine side. This is nothing new and it applies to everyone including those who identify as trans.

The self + soul does not discriminate one gender over the other. In contrast, the trans identity requires you to unnecessarily discriminate against your bio-sex-gender. It is unnecessary discrimination with high costs on the trans person, their loved ones, and on society.

One identity desires no gender discrimination. The other requires gender discrimination. And the Woke have aligned themselves with the latter. This is the reality.

I'm glad to see my begging for peer reviewed studies that support anti-trans rhetoric resulting in.... literally ****ing nothing.

As predicted we got page after page of circle jerking ******ed opinions

Thanks for proving me absolutely right

BTW Phresh hasn't been right about a rant in 5 years. Dude needs to retire.

I'm going to continue my break from this dog **** thread

I thought you were on a break?

We are so lucky the left never used opinions as the scientific basis of anything

H index of 12, while not "Olympic", and Just run of the mill decent, says hi to "0 support of the scientific community"

That's not insulting at all. I'm really not sure why you think it would be.

We have travel medicine and prison medicine as things. It's not that traveling is a health (physical or mental) thing or that being in prison is a physical or mental health problem, but these things do come with some of their own medical issue. Being transgender is similar -- it's not a medical issue of its own, but it does come with certain medical concerns. Trans care is a thing which nearly no trans person finds insulting.

It's insulting to think that the reason of the depression is your sexual preference (or trans status) unless very clear causal links to that can be drawn.

I think you can see why: it would he a stereotypization of something that isn't a disease, in order to make it one

Maybe I just have a little brain fog from my current cold, but I'm not sure I understand. I agree that it would be insulting to assume that if someone gay is depressed, that being gay must be the reason. But it's not at all insulting to acknowledge that that could be the reason or that for certain individuals it is the reason.

Treating a trans person for depression and ascribing a major source of that depression being their gender identity does not at all imply that 1) you must think all trans people are depressed or 2) that all trans people who are depressed are so because of their gender.

Ok we agree.

But talks of "trans care" imply trans people are inherently more predisposed to illness at the very least.

And certainly, as for breast augmentation for women who don't like their bodies anymore, changes in their physical appearance aren't a health issue.

Framing it as such is insulting

If you take away the word "inherently" as I feel that could possibly have some implications, then this is absolutely provably true. Do you imagine some people disagree with this? You write as though the position that transgender isn't mental illness would imply that being transgender doesn't lead to more mental illness, but this is clearly false.

Did you state your point 1 previously backwards? You said you supported including trans people up to “high stakes competition”. I agreed, presuming you meant including them based on how they identify (and obviously asterisks needed on what exactly is high stakes). However, many anti-trans advocates are against that position of trans kids in schools on regional teams being able to be included. That was what I meant by saying many would disagree with you, not the bit about banning at the Olympics etc which almost everyone agrees on.

If almost everyone agrees with x how did it happen that we had biological men massacring women in box ?

Being trans could increase the probability of some mental health issue. I hope that's not the case but it could be true.

I think sample size is too short termed, we didn't have decades of normally allowed trans ness in society, so we still can't untangle the mental health issues created by societal hatred for your situation, with inherent endogenous purported problems.

That said, being of some ethnicity does increase the chances you have grave diseases in some cases as well, still treating those diseases when they happen isn't a racial healthcare issue at all, you should be treated as everyone else, regardless your ethnicity, not by "racial specialists" rather by the same specialists treating those diseases for everyone else.

We don't have "Easter asian care" in the USA for grave lactose intolerance even if they are conspicuously more prone to it, do we?

If a trans person has a mental health issue he deserves care the same as everyone else, but it would still be an atrocious stigma to label it as "trans care" .

Maybe because that had nothing to do with anyone trans (and seriously cut out the hyperbole if you want people to actually interact with you in a useful manner)?

The fact of the matter is that the women who (probably) have XY phenotypes did absolutely nothing wrong in this case insofar as they were within the rules presented to them. The people to get mad at in this situation are some combination of the IBA for being thoroughly corrupt to the extent they were stripped of their governance of the sport and the IOC for handling the whole situation poorly.

I think if the IOC had a cut and dried rule that said anyone with an XY phenotype was not allowed to compete in women's competitions there would be some degree of pushback as it would be a little too broad brush (for example women with XY phenotype and AIS probably have no appreciable advantage) but for the most part it would be accepted, albeit not quite as widely as a ban on transgender women competing would be.

How long do you expect people will want to interact with you on these issues when you post disingenuous bullshit like this?

i thought he was talking about creampies

It is not disingenuous anything, the evidence about the boxers in question having XY chromosomes is overwhelming.

Which is why they never produced proof to the contrary to settle the matter: they can't

This is why your profession should stop affirming the trans identity.

Psychiatry doesn’t need to take all the blame. This is a collective failure. Spiritual and religious institutions have failed here as well.

We know that trans people suffer from more mental health issues than cis people. This isn't to say that their being trans inherently is the cause; it's suspected that this is more from societal influence (both in how it impacts how the individual sees themself and in how others interact with the individual). Regardless the cause, we know the relationship is absolutely there.

Why do you think this would be inappropriate? If some people in society have higher rates of certain issues, and there are reasons why solutions for them might be different than for others, then having specialists who have experience with that population (and therefore experience in helping that population navigate the treatment landscape) is absolutely a good thing.

10 miles from where I live is a Center for Asian Health, btw, so we do absolutely have such things: https://www.rwjbh.org/cooperman-barnabas...

You say this is a stigma, but I don't hear any trans people saying the same. If they're not insulted but you are, who do you think is right about this?

You say that transgender is not a mental illness but a trans person is more likely to suffer from mental illness. Could it be possible that “trans”, whatever it is, could be a result of a mental illness? A manifestation of some disease? Like people who used to believe they were Napoleon or Jesus H Christ?
Also, you claim to be a psychiatrist, which would imply you’re a medical doctor. If the pro-trans crowd says that puberty blockers and hormones are “life-saving” medicines, could you elaborate on the mechanism of death if these drugs are withheld? I’ve searched the literature and cannot find an example of a young person dying because he or she completed puberty nor can I find a situation where someone died because he or she did not inject exogenous hormones of the opposite sex. Thank you in advance.

Of course, someone who is psychotic could believe anything about themselves. That doesn't really tell us anything about trans people in general. The claim isn't that every single person who says they are trans truly are and aren't faking, trying to fit in, or suffering from psychosis. The claim is that trans people, in general, really are trans without some sort of nefarious or problematic cause.

If I had reasons to believe you were asking this in good faith due to genuine curiosity, I'd love to discuss more. But I don't support trolling.

I’ve only ever asked questions in good faith and would appreciate an answer.

You really couldn't figure out they are talking about the high suicide rate amongst trans youth? Like one can debate the exact extent of various measures in the literature, but as ganstaman suggests it is hard to imagine you are in good faith unable to figure out the answer to your question.

Especially for someone who claims to have read the entire 8000+ post thread recently and which the answer is undoubtably in there multiple times.

Yes it is. I'm not wasting my time debating the "biological men" thing with you, and that wasn't what I was referring to. And I won't even bother to debate your silly use of "massacring".

How we had those athletes involved in those events is that they belonged there as per IOC rules; what almost everyone does or doesn’t agree on was irrelevant at that point. More importantly, the boxers aren't transgender, and thus have nothing to do with the point you were replying to. In other words, the IOC allowing them to be in the women's boxing events in no way, shape, or form says anything about whether almost everyone agrees on transgender athletes being banned from women's events. And you know this, which is why this:

is, as I said, disingenuous bullshit.

Exactly.