2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Well if it's absurd, please enlighten me then. How does it have nothing to do w/ Israel Palestine?
In 1900 the British protected Palestinians in their home.
In 1940s the Jewish people moved to Palestine from around the world (prob not Ethiopia)
In 1940-1950s these same Jewish people fought a paramilitary conflict against the British who were protecting the Palestinians. 50 British troops were killed, thousands were involved on each side. The British were eventually routed and the Jews took control of Palestine.
Israel performs the nakba on Palestinians
Let’s get the facts straight before we begin.
5 The Lord examines the righteous,
but the wicked, those who love violence,
he hates with a passion.
Because war is bad? Because the Bible says thou shalt not kill? Because it’s bad to murder and starve innocent people. Because children are dying in Palestine and the US is helping the IDF?
Because it is the most ethical, moral and most economical path to take?
I c.
So... my hypothetical is exactly what happened... Palestine will continue to fire rockets and kill people. They are your neighbors. What do you do?
I assume you're a young person. This isn't the rich white people, vs the poor brown people, that it gets propagandized about to young people on social media. This is a long history of violence PREDOMINANTLY by one side, with a moral false equivalency that's a chasm to cross.
In 1900 the British protected Palestinians in their home.
In 1940s the Jewish people moved to Palestine from around the world (prob not Ethiopia)
In 1940-1950s these same Jewish people fought a paramilitary conflict against the British who were protecting the Palestinians. 50 British troops were killed, thousands were involved on each side. The British were eventually routed and the Jews took control of Palestine.
Israel performs the nakba
I'm very much aware of the complicated history. Does re-litigating it help at all in this current situation? I'm talking about based on what is ACTUALLY happening right now.
Who kidnapped, rapped and killed women and teens on the other countries home soil? Could you ever imagine Israel being the first mover actor in this situation?
I'll give you a hint... no... it does not happen.
I c.
So... my hypothetical is exactly what happened... Palestine will continue to fire rockets and kill people. They are your neighbors. What do you do?
I assume you're a young person. This isn't the rich white people, vs the poor brown people, that it gets propagandized about to young people on social media. This is a long history of violence PREDOMINANTLY by one side, with a moral false equivalency that's a chasm to cross.
I'm very much aware of the complicated history. Does re-litigating it help at all in this current situation? I'm talking about based on what is ACTUALLY happening right now.
Who kidnapped, rapped and killed women and teens on the other countries home soil? Could you ever imagine Israel being the first mover actor in this situation?
I'll give you a hint... no... it does not happen.
Are you saying that Israel hasn't kidnapped, raped, and killed people?
Correct... I'm saying, Israel hasn't gone into Palestine and initiated these kinds of things. As a democratic culture, they also hold people who do these things accountable in their own country. That is not the case in Palestine, where women are treated as objects.
I get it... I understand that this is a difficult situation to grasp, and that it can appear like one side is just blowing the other side away.
That's why I asked my hypothetical. Israel is NOT starting these wars. Remind me, who ceded their position on the west bank? Remind me, who has tried to settle these disputes in good faith, and who has turned those requests down?
If you have a neighbor who will not negotiate in good faith, and continually shoots rockets into your country, and it's part of their religion to destroy non-believers... what do you do?
Stop.....
Move your discussion NOW
Trump will definitely gain net voters but the recent polls showed RFK share dropping precipitously so I think it's maybe +2 at most.
RFK is rumored to have asked for a cabinet position in exchange for endorsing Trump. I hear Trump's team is already working on crafting a new post just for him, with the title "Chief of Rusty Bird Cages".
+2 would flip AZ, PA, and NV (Kamala is barely ahead in those states per 538.com) and make MI, WI, VA, ME District 2 extremely close and GA and FL long shots.
The above doesn't count potential gains from the DNC so I have no idea what will happen. In this past week Kamala has basically stayed where she was in most swing states but has already dropped about half a point to a point in GA, MI, and PA.
RFK Jr is definitely batsh*t crazy. How he could support Trump is beyond me. Especially given who his father was. But if that was his title I would make sure he was doing his job from within the cages...
I watched some of the DNC speeches, something I've never done before. I have to say, there were some damn good speeches. Both Obamas killed it. Clinton was good but, damn, he looks old now. The tone was really upbeat and positive, no fear mongering.
I kind of wished (well, maybe not?) I had watched the RNC as well, just to compare.
ok well then I would like to see Kamala use her influence to work towards ending this conflict (and the one in Ukraine for that matter) or at least indicate that she intends to. instead, well we all see what is going on at the DNC right now and its one of the most digusting displays of warmonger that I have ever seen.
anyway, this is the election thread and thats what it would take to get my vote.
ok well then I would like to see Kamala use her influence to work towards ending this conflict (and the one in Ukraine for that matter) or at least indicate that she intends to.
She has.
instead, well we all see what is going on at the DNC right now and its one of the most digusting displays of warmonger that I have ever seen.
I don't think you've watched anything from the DNC if you think that.
Sounds like you'll be voting for Kamala then.
I have no idea what possible problem you could have with that. I would ask you to clarify, but we've been asked to no longer discuss this topic here, so I will not. It's time for me to just move on and consider you a lost cause.
liberals are against all war, except the current one(s). it really never fails.
why would they protest the side that isnt even in power? its your democrats that are sending billions in weapons that are used to mass murder children and break all International Law. it is your side that is working hand in hand to do plausible genocide.
ofc they are sick of hearing about it. they dont like to be faced with their own hypocrisy and will do anything to ignore who they are.
Republicans control the congress. The money wouldn’t be sent without their approval. And if anything, they want an even more brutal war. The people calling for a ceasefire are the Democrats, not Republicans.
Also this is a rather weird take on the whole situation. Hamas committed a violent terrorist attack, Israel responded. Do I support everything they have done? No. Do I think Netanyahu wants to prolong the war? Plausible. But at the end of the day Hamas can stop this war by surrendering and giving back the hostages. Then once Hamas is out of power we can put pressure on Israel to agree to a two state solution.
Republicans control the congress. The money wouldn’t be sent without their approval. And if anything, they want an even more brutal war. The people calling for a ceasefire are the Democrats, not Republicans.
Also this is a rather weird take on the whole situation. Hamas committed a violent terrorist attack, Israel responded. Do I support everything they have done? No. Do I think Netanyahu wants to prolong the war? Plausible. But at the end o
it also wouldnt be sent without the Democrats. I dont care what the Repubs do.
the rest of your post belongs in the other thread.
