2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
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which progressives said this?
nah they don't have to, they want to
That's a stretch. Anyway, my point is that Trump would be but a fringe candidate in any European (EEC) country, and you have not refuted it with that. It's a hypothetical as to how a Trump-like candidate would be viewed domestically, so a poll about his foreign policy when he is US president is pretty irrelevant.
What also should be mentioned is that since the US is a de facto two-party system, it is good that the parties are coalitions.
In countries with multi-party systems political minorities can coalesce around smaller parties that can horse-trade for influence. In a two-party system this is only possible if the party is a coalition of views. A dependency on coalitions make it less likely for government to stomp all over you and it serves as a block for too much power in individuals or small groups.
The GOP has essentially abandoned this and gone down a very strict ideological path where adherence is all but required. Which means the US is, at least at the time of writing, down one coalition. This is very unhealthy for American politics.
lol @rick claiming the republican party shifted right when all measures tell us that republicans stayed in their place and democrats moved left every decade in the last 40 years.
Trans issues didn't even exist 20 years ago for anyone in the democratic party. You were a man living as a woman, it was your problem not certainly a topic for politics. This ALONE is an unprecedented shift to the radical maniacal left by democrats, with republicans staying normal (normal means "wtf trans?" as per the entirety of human history in every society until very feew years ago)
Clinton on immigration was like Trump.
On the deficit republicans moved FAR LEFT and democrats to the left as well. Clinton had the only surplus in what, 70 years?
Clinton wasn't pro gay marriage was he?
Can we stop the charade according to which republicans moved "far right"? can you guys stop lying on monumental issues at least once?
RNC just had a convention with a black ex-prostitute tatooed on her head as a speaker. Far right jfc
ANY MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN would be a fringe candidate in any european country except perhaps poland and hungary.
Most european countries are faaaaaaaaaaaar to the left of the USA which is why we suck compared to you on any relevant measurable element of society
Maybe you underestimate the number or religious zealots and functional illiterate ?
Lol. So keen to suckle at the MAGA teat that you forgot where I'm from.
If Europe was so bad to live there , why so many immigrants tried to go there ?
The part that people like rick want to "forget" is that giving even 10 minutes per year of political space to "trans issues" is already being to the far left of every major party in the west 20 years ago.
It's incredible we even talk about the topic at all, if you lived politics 20 years ago or earlier. Incredible
Bros here were saying we’re better off with Trump because it would hasten the collapse and leftist revolution. I can link but people here at the time can vouch for that.
117% of hot-take projection statistics are fabricated out of thin air.
Ye good economy, incumbency, and a terrible candidate in the other party aren't predictors of success ok
Pretty sure I saw the phrase "burn it all down" more than a few times from Viktor and his ilk.
NBC News: Vance says Trump would veto a national abortion ban
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-el...
Yeah, I'm sure undecided female voters will fall for this horesh*t.
they think that people like Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski represent the left. its obnoxious and juvenile.
source: dude, trust me
as i expected
I was simplifying. The point is that these two powers paid massive prices in order to achieve very modest gdp increases that were achieved much better in Western states.
Projecting 95% probability of any modern USA Presidential election after how close all recent elections have been is absurd.
When China pivoted under an undemocratic , totalitarian capitalist system ("with chinese characteristics"), it worked to achieve decent incomes (approx 10k per capita per year USD). Unlike the USSR which never achieved anything of the sort
2012 wasn't close and the economy was worse and the opposition candidate was far better (in the political sense of having a chance with the median voter).
2016 had no incumbency advantage, 2020 was republicans being crushed even if incumbent (but the unicum of covid played a role, perhaps).
A survey this year gave him 28% across an aggregate of countries (including non-European ones), which puts him slightly ahead of people like Xi Jinping and Putin. Countries that increase his score in this survey are mostly non-European. So, suffice to say that while he can find Europeans who accept him and probably even the odd fan, he is deeply unpopular.
That a man who confuses the Baltics for the Balkans has any support at all for his foreign policy in Europe is rather worrying, especially for a student of history.
And when I say Trump confused the Baltics for the Balkans, I don't mean he got the names wrong. I mean he sat down with Baltic leaders and castigated them for the Balkan wars.
I've heard the Ds have moved so Far left that it's for all intents and purposes pure communism 😀
And how did Bush poll
And wait, are you denying that MAGA is a Trump cult? Thought you were in agreement on that.
I am fully denying those people weren't mostly already republican voters, and won't again be with a different candidate.
They are buying the current fad at the club they would go to anyway