The costs of trans visibility

One really interesting thing about this study

Only 14% of transgender/nonbinary youth were receiving hormone treatment! And the sample size is quite large. Maybe this indicates that doctors aren’t just going out there and throwing pills and surgeries around willy nilly like people think they are.

Keep reading. Seems more like an access issue than doctors aren’t willing.

You can’t drink at 16 but you can start medically transitioning if needed.

Big ****ing yikes.

Well at the minimum 36% aren’t even interested in it.

Lower the drinking age to 16 for all I care. Isn’t that what it is in many countries in europe?

Also transitioning at 16 would involve informed consent of parent as well as a doctor that has reviewed your case, ideally. So it’s not the same thing as recreational drinking.

there's 2 answers here

first the obvious one

and the 2nd one is the highly suspect lol cohort bucketing:

this feels like the methodology an econ major in undergrad would do to source data for their "i don't care i am just doing this graduate" senior thesis

Statistical significance depends on more than just the size of the sample. There is nothing intrinsically wrong about sample sizes in this range, indeed for logistical reasons this is pretty good, and if you are mad at this then you are going to not be able to make claims one way or the other in a lot of social science phenomena.

Wasn’t expecting a different answer really. Anything that helps you make the claims you make you’ll latch on to.

This paper isn’t it. But I can understand why you think it is.

Good news, friends. All your wishes have been fulfilled and gangstaman has recused himself from this thread.

Please welcome your new overlord.

Me 😉

I made no comment on this paper one way or another. I simply pointed out why something you said was silly.

Yeah lets trust the doctors how did that work out for Mathew Perry ?

You pointed out why you think something I said is silly. You want to base your entire believe on a 1.6k survey sample conducted via fb, insta and snapchat. Which again, isn't surprising because there isn't much else out there that backs up your nonsense.

I mean i could understand the "trust the doctors" take until 2019 (it was already deeply wrong but i could understand it).

But after what doctors did during covid giving them ANY POWER AT ALL in society is suicide

Your second sentence doesn’t follow from your first. I again made no comments on the study, simply your bad statistical claim. It’s not even a straw man, you’re on the wrong field entirely.

You’re cute. A terrible spokesperson for the trans crowd, but cute.

brf22 just put him on ignore, he's just going to sift through paragraphs of stuff looking for a single line to poo poo upon - there is nothing that can be gained via engaging with him

In their defence what else do they have? Biology isn’t on their side. Their own papers aren’t either so what is left but feelings and a bucket of doctors who are willing to betray everything they stand for?

Can you explain the relevance of this example? Is the institution of medicine recommending selling 55000 dollars worth of ketamine to a drug addict as a form of treatment?

Ok. When you have a heart attack from all that carcinogenic meat italians eat, please stay at home instead of getting into an ambulance.

If you don't find this progressive, helping this person be who they really were, you're a bigot. Ay, you want to make a trans-identified omelet, you've gotta crack a few eggs. I think we need like 103% of "gender-affirming care" surgeries to have this result, though. You know, before it can be called bad. And even then, who knows?

I know, I know. I'm the weird one for finding this absolutely heartbreaking. Even in the Yelp review, they're aware they'll just be labeled a transphobe and discarded by the mob. In the name of progress!

If it's a self-selected sample it doesn't mean anything. If there's no control group, again it doesn't mean anything.

trans activists claim the percentage of trans people was always fixed throughout history and the public self identification shot up recently only because of increased societal acceptance.

they also claim that not completely affirming a self identified trans person, especially if minor, dramatically increases his suicide risk.

from which it should logically and automatically follow that until very recently, a significant number of minors suicided because they identified with the opposite sex and weren't allowed to affirm that socially.

but that never happened so...

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If you don't find this progressive, helping this person be who they really were, you're a bigot. Ay, you want to make a trans-identified omelet, you've gotta crack a few eggs. I think we need like 103% of "gender-affirming care" surgeries to have this result, though. You know, before it can be called bad. And even then, who knows?

I know, I know. I'm the weird one for finding this absolutely heartbreaking. Even in the Yelp review, they're aw

No one is denying detransition happens. The question is the rate. Also this person sounds particularly unstable so I'm not sure what the hospital's perspective on this was.

Yawn. You really need to get a new strategy other than making an insane claim and then retreating to a still insane but slightly more defensible claim. You were replying to someone saying doctors shouldn't be trusted because two doctors turned out to be drug dealers, and then when I call you out for your flippant comments you retreat towards skepticism about the medical industry.

By the way, other than the lockdowns, every single retrospective study shows positive aspects of the public health recommendations. And even early on the epidemiologists were not gung ho on school closures, that was the teachers union in the US that was really insisting on keeping schools locked down. I mean maybe it would have been easier to actually provide adequate protection for teachers than closing down schools for another year, just saying.

i wrote not to give any power at all to doctors and I reiterated that.

which means they shouldn't get to decide what if anything about trans ness is a medical topic, nor their opinion should ever be binding for third parties in any settings (yes this includes giving up on insanity defenses in court, at least from the medical standpoint).

strip doctors of all legal powers. including determining what is medical and what is not.

doctors killed a ton of people by un necessarily intubating the first 2 months as well, it isn't only about lockdowns.

and mask mandates for toddlers (!!!!!!) were defended and pushed for by some medical associations in some countries.

and mandating the COVID vaccine had disastrous long term effects on vaccination rates (we see them already at decades low level in various places) because trust decreased (as the many places that didn't mandate them knew very well).

then try to defend double masking insanities, or fpp2 mandates in some countries, and I go on.

and btw lockdowns alone being the worst crime against humanity in peacetime history in western countries would be a lot more than enough to never again give a ounce of power to any doctor for centuries.

teacher unions managed to ask for prolonged school closures because CDC guidelines (written by... doctors) were ******ely strict so they could claim that until all their guidelines could be 100% achieved schools "weren't safe".

but I mean it isn't new stuff for people who were watching those people close enough. the anti vaping insanity made it very clear how those people shouldn't be near any decision making process in society.

and don't make me start about nutrition science where some of the biggest scams were built upon false "research" and pushed in society thanks, as always, to the "angels in white".

or the medicalization of a lot of behaviors to sell more drugs and treatments (well before the same applied to transness).

when people get a free ride because of a perceived aura of holiness and society starts to treat them as semi god roaming the earth among us, it invariably goes bad for everyone

Ha. Look at this. Can’t say being trans is a mental health issue but the moment one of them detransitions and shares the horror that comes with transitioning they are “particularly unstable”.

I swear you people live in a world where 2+2=fish.

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