The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
wait a second, according to gender theory if a person detransitions he was never trans to begin with.
because being trans is an inherent, unmodifiable characteristic of an individual (either genetically determined, or in the womb et cetera, doesn't matter much) which can't change because of external or internal events later in life, in gender theory.
that's a KEY tenet of gender theory, because if instead it was true that a person can be trans for a while then non trans (or viceversa) then "conversion therapy" could work, and the opposite, Ie the idea that society can push you toward trans ness, could be true.
that's why they actually deny detransition (including stopping to self identify as trans after a while even if no major body modifications had been applied) is as common as it is, and they treat those they call "very few cases" as oddities (and call them mentalli ill, disturbed and so on).
so they basically claim that a non trans person, who thinks he is trans and so transitions, and then detransitions, must be mentally ill otherwise why would he think he is trans if he isn't?
i wrote not to give any power at all to doctors and I reiterated that.
which means they shouldn't get to decide what if anything about trans ness is a medical topic, nor their opinion should ever be binding for third parties in any settings (yes this includes giving up on insanity defenses in court, at least from the medical standpoint).
So because you disagree on medical consensus on one or two issues, you want to throw out the entirety of the medical community as expert opinions on everything? This is a completely myopic view.
In my opinion, I reiterate, you should probably just stay home during your next heart attack because every progress we've had on medicine in heart disease is the same process we're using for everything else. I'm sure there were huge missteps along the way in that world that you just completely ignore because you don't have some kind of political vendetta against them for one reason or another. Politicians and courts seek out medical opinions because they are the most qualified to trust on medical issues. If you want politicians and courts to make their own decision on medicine, have fun when the court rules you mentally incompetent and locks you up in an insane asylum because the judge had a vendetta against you.
Your entire thought process is commie-regardation levels of stupid.
strip doctors of all legal powers. including determining what is medical and what is not.
doctors killed a ton of people by un necessarily intubating the first 2 months as well, it isn't only about lockdowns.
Amazing, I'd love to see you on the frontlines of a global pandemic instead of sitting comfortably in your house. Maybe you would know the feeling of having thousands of patients life in your hands and making tough decisions knowing that there might be some people who don't get to see tomorrow because you made an incorrect decision. Yeah lets have ****ing politicians deciding whether people need to be intubated or not, that sounds like a fantastic idea. You are actually so dishonest it's disgusting.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doct....
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/sp...
By the way it was DOCTORS who criticized the use of ventilators and intubation. Back in April of 2020.
and mask mandates for toddlers (!!!!!!) were defended and pushed for by some medical associations in some countries.
Amazing, and where did we get evidence that such policies don't/didn't work? I wonder if they came from doctors or just people slinging mud at doctors from the sidelines thinking that Covid-19 is a Chinese hoax to try to destroy America? Maybe the problem is that your side that is critical of vaccines, masks, social distancing, etc, just throws out the most insane bullshit and they happen to get something right every once in a while, also ignoring the medical professionals that agree with them. It was an unprecedented moment and there was data that such a masking policy would help.
and mandating the COVID vaccine had disastrous long term effects on vaccination rates (we see them already at decades low level in various places) because trust decreased (as the many places that didn't mandate them knew very well).
Helped along by the insane propaganda of the right, yes.
then try to defend double masking insanities, or fpp2 mandates in some countries, and I go on.
The fact that none of the stuff that you are talking about here was ever universally recommended to be implemented by all doctors is a good sign that maybe doctors aren't some amorphous hivemind, and that at the end of the day they can give guidance but it's up to the politicians to make decisions.
and btw lockdowns alone being the worst crime against humanity in peacetime history in western countries would be a lot more than enough to never again give a ounce of power to any doctor for centuries.
lol. lmao even. what a joke of a thing to say.
and don't make me start about nutrition science where some of the biggest scams were built upon false "research" and pushed in society thanks, as always, to the "angels in white".
or the medicalization of a lot of behaviors to sell more drugs and treatments (well before the same applied to transness).
when people get a free ride because of a perceived aura of holiness and society starts to treat them as semi god roaming the earth among us, it invariably goes bad for everyone
It's amazing how medicine has probably made the biggest advances in our quality of life of all industries except for agriculture, and then you wonder why people give doctors a great amount of prestige. I've never heard this "angel in white" thing but it sounds like a total strawman from a very triggered and unstable individual. Maybe you should be locked up by a judge-doctor, that would be a pretty funny and ironic fate for you. Apparently you just trust the government way more to determine what is medically necessary than a doctor and patient. lol
[QUOTE="Betraisefold22"]Ha. Look at this. Can’t say being trans is a mental health issue but the moment one of them detransitions and shares the horror that comes with transitioning they are “particularly unstable”.
I swear you people live in a world where 2+2=fish.[/QUOTE]
No correlation there. I didn't say being detrans makes you mentally unstable, did I?
And yeah there are particularly mentally unstable trans women too. I could name a bunch of them that are public figure but I'm not going to because you are bad faith and don't even understand I'm not some far left safe spacer who thinks no trans person has ever done anything wrong.
wait a second, according to gender theory if a person detransitions he was never trans to begin with.
because being trans is an inherent, unmodifiable characteristic of an individual (either genetically determined, or in the womb et cetera, doesn't matter much) which can't change because of external or internal events later in life, in gender theory.
that's a KEY tenet of gender theory, because if instead it was true that a person can be tran
You're amazing at building up strawmen and burning them down to the delight of the highly regarded right wingers on this forum, huh?
i wrote not to give any power at all to doctors and I reiterated that.
which means they shouldn't get to decide what if anything about trans ness is a medical topic, nor their opinion should ever be binding for third parties in any settings (yes this includes giving up on insanity defenses in court, at least from the medical standpoint).
strip doctors of all legal powers. including determining what is medical and what is not.
doctors killed a
Yep, doctors make terrible gods.
Phresh has been permanently banned for his lifetime performance here of anti-trans bigotry.
Happy Labor Day, everyone 😀
You know what? Actually I should be encouraging this. Hope you guys keep going after doctors. Make it your life's mission to talk about how much you hate doctors. I'm sure this is a hugely winning political strategy.
I am actually in the majority (at least when compared to Americans) right now
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In every sociodemographic group in this survey study among 443 455 unique respondents aged 18 years or older residing in the US, trust in physicians and hospitals decreased substantially over the course of the pandemic, from 71.5% in April 2020 to 40.1% in January 2024. Individuals with lower levels of trust were less likely to have been vaccinated or received boosters for COVID-19.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanet...
the drop is unprecedented and I don't think any group of professionals ever dropped this much this quick in approval/trust among the population.
btw the above study has an insanely big sample size, very good methodology and they tested the same panel every 1-2 months for almost 4 years.
you can almost see in real time how every lie, every manipulation, every societal disaster caused by "health experts" eroded public trust.
and to stay in topic, this is very interlinked with the medicalization of trans ness and the societal pushback. people won't buy claims by physicians and "experts" that don't sound prima facie reasonable as easily as they would have 5 years ago
So because you disagree on medical consensus on one or two issues, you want to throw out the entirety of the medical community as expert opinions on everything? This is a completely myopic view.
In my opinion, I reiterate, you should probably just stay home during your next heart attack because every progress we've had on medicine in heart disease is the same process we're using for everything else. I'm sure there were huge missteps along th
“You are bad faith”.
Checkmate.
I am actually in the majority (at least when compared to Americans) right now
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In every sociodemographic group in this survey study among 443 455 unique respondents aged 18 years or older residing in the US, trust in physicians and hospitals decreased substantially over the course of the pandemic, from 71.5% in April 2020 to 40.1% in January 2024. Individuals with lower levels of trust were less likely to have been vaccinated or receiv
Amazing. When an internet poll shows positive data for trans people, it is untrustworthy. But when it shows what you want to believe, it’s suddenly super trustworthy.
I don’t trust it because it’s an internet poll. Turnabout is fairplay after all.
Way to prove you’re not bad faith. You guys just throw bombs and then whine when you get any pushback.
Show me where I said detrans people are all mentally ill, or that being detrans is a mental illness.
Show me where I said that people can’t think they are trans when they are not.
You are all just the most miserable and immoral liars then complain about being called out.
Way to prove you’re not bad faith. You guys just throw bombs and then whine when you get any pushback.
Show me where I said detrans people are all mentally ill, or that being detrans is a mental illness.
Show me where I said that people can’t think they are trans when they are not.
You are all just the most miserable and immoral liars then complain about being called out.
There is no pushback. There is no “calling out”. That’s the point. It’s just bad logic and never ending hypocrisy.
check raise I didn't read your previous long rant quoting me but I advise you strongly to avoid calling me mentally ill just because you disagree with me (or for any other reason), crossnerd has been very clear about avoiding that kind of language in this forum.
the "angels in white" was a common (non ironic for users, at the beginning) way to address healthcare professionals during the pandemic in italy
Amazing. When an internet poll shows positive data for trans people, it is untrustworthy. But when it shows what you want to believe, it’s suddenly super trustworthy.
I don’t trust it because it’s an internet poll. Turnabout is fairplay after all.
a well conducted poll will give you the actual opinion of the polled people.
if you stop there it works every time.
what doesn't work is extrapolating a causal effect from the poll, for example i can't use the above poll to claim "I am right" (in my assessment of doctors).
but I can use it to answer your claim that it's politically poisonous to attack doctors.
It simply isn't anymore (for now).
you can use the poll about trans people who transition as proof of their opinions on the topic, but not as proof of anything else
Amazing. When an internet poll shows positive data for trans people, it is untrustworthy. But when it shows what you want to believe, it’s suddenly super trustworthy.
I don’t trust it because it’s an internet poll. Turnabout is fairplay after all.
Fair enough, but as we mentioned, hope is often blinding when it comes to accurate assessment. What would be your reason for skepticism that people are accurately reporting their true feelings of trustworthiness toward medical professionals?
check raise I didn't read your previous long rant quoting me but I advise you strongly to avoid calling me mentally ill just because you disagree with me (or for any other reason), crossnerd has been very clear about avoiding that kind of language in this forum.
the "angels in white" was a common (non ironic for users, at the beginning) way to address healthcare professionals during the pandemic in italy
Another lie by you. Do you ever get tired of lying? People can read my post and see I did not call you mentally ill, I said it would be hilarious if a judge-doctor locked you up because he thinks you’re mentally ill, since you want to get rid of them so bad in the judicial system.
I should have listened to the people that warned me about you. You spew these long posts where every sentence is a half truth, a lie, or an immoral statement, and then put no effort when people counter reply.
You are just a time terrorist, a complete waste of energy. Consider this my last reply to you.
you defined me "triggered and unstable", because i used the expression "angels in white", this is your verbatim.
/I've never heard this "angel in white" thing but it sounds like a total strawman from a very triggered and unstable individual. Maybe you should be locked up by a judge-doctor, that would be a pretty funny and ironic fate for you/
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just avoid that, simple enough
Hahaha time terrorist is a+
Well played.
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Not sure been talked about yet but hypothesis for the really pro transgender/trans woman believer here at almost any age .
U meet someone , u kiss (transgender) and you might even sleep (transgender) with them .
You have no idea of the “original” situation of that person .
Hell let’s go further , you go out for years with that trans woman ( they did a great job …😉 and wanting to have a child you learn well you know , I can’t have kids because …..
Point is , do any trans has the responsibility to”signal” who they really are ?
And if yes , why?
Isn’t that disrespectful since they should be take at face value being a woman ?
Ps:I could not imagine how freaked out I would be btw if i, lets say at 13-14 years old , I make out in a party with a girl discovering later on it was a transgender …..
The humiliation too at school I would have if people knew .
Yes, trans women should disclose they are trans before dating someone, especially if they still have a penis.
Point is , do any trans has the responsibility to”signal” who they really are ?
And if yes , why?
In British law, yes, because sex by deception in that way is a criminal offence analogous to rape. (Because the other person has been made to consent to something other than what they thought they were consenting to.)
In British law, yes, because sex by deception in that way is a criminal offence analogous to rape. (Because the other person has been made to consent to something other than what they thought they were consenting to.)
But here people say that it’s the body that is wrong not the mind correct ?
And by laws biology and body reality do have a higher standard in front of the law then what people think who they actually are right ?
Maybe a SC ruling in a great hyper “progressive” country (cough cough Trudeau) will decide that kind of law is discriminatory and needs to be change ?
No idea if such a law exist in Canada like the UK but you get the point .
Or maybe if a big enough crowd of politicians wins and decide to change the laws ?
I wonder what the pro trans progressive stand on this …
Should law be changed by not making mandatory trans to reveal who they are for sex purpose or kissing ?
Ps: I don’t know UK but do a transgender girl has the obligation to say who she really “his” for kissing purpose or just for sex?
And mind as well ask for adult for kissing purpose implicating a trans woman ?
I mean today you can almost be indicted for grabbing the butt of a woman , is it the same for trans woman kissing an aware man for “sexual agression “?
