2024 ELECTION THREAD

2024 ELECTION THREAD

The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?


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14 July 2022 at 02:28 PM
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by weeeez P


Next thing you know people are gonna say Putin is a genius.

Putin is evil, he's not stupid.


by d2_e4 P

Putin is evil, he's not stupid.

Shooting everyone that is in your path doesn't make you smart, just means you have balls.
He is obviously not stupid like a Trump, just saying he isn't the genius or super intelligent person some people describe him as.
Kinda like that Hitler rant, sure he had some degree of intelligence, but how intelligent can you be when you cannot beat your own greed and refuse to reassess your plans?


I don't think anyone is surprised that Russian state money has been used to influence people about the Ukraine war, but the insane thing is that if it had all happened with private foreign money it would have been perfectly legal, from what I read in the indictment.

The money laundering happened not to launder to avoid taxes but just to conceal the fact the money came from Russia Today, and the failure to register as foreign actors is criminal only because Russia Today is state owned (correct me if I am wrong here).

Pretty sure something very similar, and to a much larger scale than 5m/year, happens with pro Hamas protestors and influencers, but for some reason I feel the perfectly independent democrat DoJ want pursue Qatar money the same way.


by coordi P

the rights insistence to project


Just saw Trump saying that Kamala loses her train of thought.

Donald Trump has Mike Johnson in another no-win situation

Johnson’s task from the MAGA wing of his party is to get the
Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act signed into law.

Johnson should know how much of an utter disaster it would be to have the
GOP be blamed for a government shutdown as the November election looms.
But Trump says that’s what Republicans should do if they don’t get their way.
“I would shut down the government in a heartbeat if they don’t get it,”

Johnson told his caucus on Wednesday that he’ll bring a spending bill to the floor
that would punt the current fiscal deadline back to March and attach the SAVE Act.
In doing so, he’s committed himself to a no-win scenario that could
hurt the party’s chances of retaining its extremely slender majority.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opin...


by coordi P

What is this blue maga thing? Is it just a way for maga to feel better about being maga?

It's a term that Victor saw somewhere in the derposphere and started spamming endlessly on 2+2.

It will run its course like every other term that gains currency here. For a while, people thought underpants gnomes were an explanation of every political strategy. Then we moved on to shifts in the Overton window. Now it appears that blue maga has escaped Victor containment.

People enjoy using whatever the term du jour is. It makes them feel clever and up to speed.


by ES2 P

Recently, another friend who is an actual academic told me that "according to inside sources," Barron Trump tortured and killed animals. While possible, this is also inherently quite unlikely. So I looked it up and the source was an unsubstantiated tweet from some random dude who claims, with no evidence, that he was in child care and tended to kids who knew Barron and perhaps Barron as well. It was discussed in a liberal subreddit where

If I made the effort, I'm sure that I could find this sort of thing of the internet. But I don't run into it organically very often. May I ask how this stuff is winding up in front of you? Do you have especially crazy social media connections from high school or something?


by Rococo P

It's a term that Victor saw somewhere in the derposphere and started spamming endlessly on 2+2.

It will run its course like every other term that gains currency here. For a while, people thought underpants gnomes were an explanation of every political strategy. Then we moved on to shifts in the Overton window. Now it appears that blue maga has escaped Victor containment.

People enjoy using whatever the term du jour is. It makes them

Blue MAGA actually meant something else, ie the defense of Biden with cult-like narratives

Now, a new term is circulating on social media that attempts to equate supporters of President Joe Biden to supporters of Donald Trump. Blue MAGA suggests that certain political sects on the left can be just as blindly faithful to their political leaders as some people on the right. This attempt to equate the two sides has left the internet bitterly divided, as some think the label is unfair or untrue.

https://www.distractify.com/p/what-is-bl...

then other people as per article started using it like victor does, ie by meaning "democrats actually agree with more MAGA policies than they want to admit"


by Luciom P

Blue MAGA actually meant something else, ie the defense of Biden with cult-like narratives

Victor uses the term in both ways, more the former than the latter.

In any case, I'm just yelling at the sky on this point. Spamming new political catch-phrases in the hope that one of them will catch on is a feature of the modern political landscape on both the right and left wing. And there are plenty of thirsty stray dogs who are more than eager to lap those catchphrases up and vomit them back out. This phenomenon isn't going away any time soon.


by Rococo P

Victor uses the term in both ways, more the former than the latter.

ye maybe he did when Biden was still around, i suppose now the first meaning lost utility


Just more of "hurr durr both sides same" stuff. I find the "both sides same" people to generally be the least interesting on this forum. Always some variation of "neither are Bernie, so egro both are the same".

It's such a vacuous argument too. They find all the things where they are actually the same, i.e. all the positions on which most reasonable people agree, and then some magic happens and then that means they are the same in every respect.


by d2_e4 P

Just more of "hurr durr both sides same" stuff. I find the "both sides same" people to generally be the least interesting on this forum. Always some variation of "neither are Bernie, so egro both are the same".

Oh Sanders would be preferable a bit for them but still not quite something that could satisfy them


by d2_e4 P

Just more of "hurr durr both sides same" stuff. I find the "both sides same" people to generally be the least interesting on this forum. Always some variation of "neither are Bernie, so egro both are the same".

It's such a vacuous argument too. They find all the things where they are actually the same, i.e. all the positions on which most reasonable people agree, and then some magic happens and then that means they are the same in every resp

That sentiment traces to academic thought that views history and politics primarily as a struggle between the powerful and the powerless. The pop version of this idea is cruder and dumber than the source material, but that's usually the case.


by coordi P

Not realizing that one is evil doesn't make one less evil. Judgement isn't passed from within

People have been pointing out that Tim is a moron for a decade. Turns out they were right. Judgement isn't passed from within

I dunno, this makes him look better. possible. like maybe he doesnt believe all the dumb **** he spews and is just getting paid gobs of money.


the stark reality of GOP policies


thx Representative Anna Paulina Luna

thx Senator Tom Cotton

thx former POTUS Donald J. Trump


by Rococo P

It's a term that Victor saw somewhere in the derposphere and started spamming endlessly on 2+2.

It will run its course like every other term that gains currency here. For a while, people thought underpants gnomes were an explanation of every political strategy. Then we moved on to shifts in the Overton window. Now it appears that blue maga has escaped Victor containment.

People enjoy using whatever the term du jour is. It makes them

Ive used BlueMaga since like 2019. its pretty short jump from #VoteBlueNoMatterWho to #BlueMaga.


by Luciom P

Blue MAGA actually meant something else, ie the defense of Biden with cult-like narratives

Democrats agree with MAGA policy like "tough on Iran" and border wall and dropping Covid regulations and locking kids in cages when Dems do it.


by Victor P

Democrats agree with MAGA policy like "tough on Iran" and border wall and dropping Covid regulations and locking kids in cages when Dems do it.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what exactly is the issue with being tough on Iran?


by Victor P

Ive used BlueMaga since like 2019. its pretty short jump from #VoteBlueNoMatterWho to #BlueMaga.

Terms don't always catch on immediately. I agree that you were a very early adopter. You must be thrilled that the term is finally gaining currency with a broader audience. As you point out, this has been a passion project for you for quite a long time.


by d2_e4 P

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what exactly is the issue with being tough on Iran?

its just another example of Dems believing in nothing. Obama negotiated the Iran deal and at least on the surface was working at deescalation and better relations.

Trump tore up nuclear the deal, slapped on crippling sanctions , and assassinated Soleimani.

Dems are now like, Trump was weak on Iran (really?) and we need to get tough. like how much tougher can you get? a war? arent the Dems supposed to be anti-war?


and I guess the real point is that their supporters dont even bat an eye and all wholeheartedly supported Obama in bettering Iranian relations but now are like hell ya we need to "get tough".

Im not gonna blame a craven politician for acting like a craven politician. but I just lose respect for people who should have a bit more circumspection.


by Victor P

its just another example of Dems believing in nothing. Obama negotiated the Iran deal and at least on the surface was working at deescalation and better relations.

Trump tore up nuclear the deal, slapped on crippling sanctions , and assassinated Soleimani.

Dems are now like, Trump was weak on Iran (really?) and we need to get tough. like how much tougher can you get? a war? arent the Dems supposed to be anti-war?

To state the obvious, there have been some intervening political events between the Obama era and now. But if your point is that the Iranian political regime is more or less the same now as it was in the Obama era, I think that's a fair point.


by Victor P

its just another example of Dems believing in nothing. Obama negotiated the Iran deal and at least on the surface was working at deescalation and better relations.

Trump tore up nuclear the deal, slapped on crippling sanctions , and assassinated Soleimani.

Dems are now like, Trump was weak on Iran (really?) and we need to get tough. like how much tougher can you get? a war? arent the Dems supposed to be anti-war?

And Iran cynically used the deescalation to set up proxies in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine to destabilize the whole Middle East. And it was uncovered Obama's chief experts on Iran were IRI spies, and it is very quietly being investigated (as the truth isn't convenient to the narrative, our media is VERY hands off and uninterested)

If anything, the lesson is dont trust Islamists to be good faith actors. But given our approach to Hamas and Hezbollah, sadly that lesson was not learned.


by Rococo P

If I made the effort, I'm sure that I could find this sort of thing of the internet. But I don't run into it organically very often. May I ask how this stuff is winding up in front of you? Do you have especially crazy social media connections from high school or something?

for what it's worth i've definitely come across this story as well. probably on a twitter post. its allegedly from a high priced, high society tutor/nanny that tutors kids in the same circle as barron. the original story i thought was just that everyone thinks barron is super weird, and that barron previously said his mom was 100% getting a divorce but then the political run happened and she stayed. i dont think i saw the killed small animals part.


by Rococo P

To state the obvious, there have been some intervening political events between the Obama era and now. But if your point is that the Iranian political regime is more or less the same now as it was in the Obama era, I think that's a fair point.

right I mean, we have always been at war with Eastasia


for everyone worried about Dictator Trump, Kamala is coming over the top rope to limit free speech on what she defines as 'hate and misinformation'.


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