[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

If memory serves, there's no evidence of any proper peer-review of that article. They just paid Bentham to publish it, which Bentham would happily do at the time.

I thought he said there was another paper? He lies so much it's hard to keep track.

That's how you operate. I would be happy to learn I was wrong about everything regarding 9/11. That's why I read all the sources cited, although I haven't got around to some of the videos linked to by Gorgorian. But the fact that I remember he did link them and I have it on my agenda to watch them should indicate to you my perspective here. But that won't change how you see me which is through the dichotomy implanted in you through propaganda. It says that the college educated "in the know" people accept everything the CIA says without seeing any supporting evidence or even what the claims are, and that those who don't are insane idiots. What you do with the information, conceded by authority, that the CIA constantly lies to you I have no idea. I guess you just suppress somewhere in your subconscious.

I assure you that the way I see you is solely informed by your behaviour in this thread, not by "dichotomy implanted through propaganda". Hope that helps.

Saying you read all the sources cited is not a good look for you, since it means you can't read very well. Saying you are out for truth or arguing in good faith is complete bullshit - as soon as it has been shown that you are full of **** regarding some line of inquiry, you ignore any follow up and move on to the next thing.

Who knows. I've had him on my ignore list for like a decade so I really don't know what he was talking about.

The all day thing was to include some ref to 7 w/o writing a frigging novel dude.
You've allowed yourself to get massively bogged down by stuff that was fed to you to mess with your mind. Maybe you find your way out eventually maybe you don't I have no clue. Step back and broaden your view a little bit. The planes crashed into the sides of the building--believe it or not with that much weight above it contributes to compromising the structure. Steel doesn't need to liquefy to become compromised either. Combine the 3 things impact/heat/weight and it's really not too hard to fathom them collapsing once things hit a point where it can start to let loose. It doesn't take hundreds of improbable things lining up perfectly--just a few simple things. And zero need to wait for the cia/govt etc to deliver the meds years later. It made sense why they fell the day it happened.

Those things also fit exactly with the second one hit falling first because the plane hit it lower--way more weight above the impact.

But it's ok Gandalf made some mistakes too 😀

Notice he still can’t tell us his theory about what happened.

I was just going through the old thread and you can see there people would cite sources and I would read them. But they usually hadn't read them themselves and very often it turned out the the sources didn't say what the poster imagined.

I don't know what to tell you. You think the answers are not in government publications but they are in commercial books cited in wikipedia. I had a guy tell me once, regarding one of the journals who published one of the authors of the thermite paper, "Oh and what's that magazine? Nature? That sounds like a fake nothing journal". You all have this thing in common where you believe so strongly that things are a certain way that you cannot be dissuaded by any amount and quality of evidence that they are not.

Did you know that North Koreans who leave their country almost always want to go back? You'd think that they would see that the West is not at all as depicted in the NK state propaganda and want to defect. But no once they leave North Korea they continue to see things through the propaganda framework, much as you do except you obey the fascists over here and they obey the fascists over there.

No it's just a way for you to convince yourself the fairy tale is true. It's fine by me. I enjoy correcting you.

You can call the scientists and engineers and architects who have destroyed the official story wrong. You can call them crazy and it's like ok that's an opinion. But you can't really say they have some agenda to simply mess with people's minds. That's not really a thing outside of villain's in comic books. There is no money in it. You will be cancelled if you apply physics to the WTC collapses in a public forum as yourself. You won't be corrected, but you will be cancelled. There is no material incentive to pursue the truth of the matter.

On the other hand, those who promote the official story stand to profit handsomely. You ignore the trillion dollars worth of motives, means, and opportunity and blame it all on evil people like that's even a thing. I'd say it's sad but I think people like yourself can be happy, if slightly uncomfortable psychologically and constantly confused by world events. I mean you might be shocked when, say, the Mueller report is a fat nothing burger. But life goes on and, although you function as the will of other people, it's not like it distresses you in the least. Maybe it's natural for you.

Where do all the observations you left out fit? What about the heat blooms, molten metal, lateral ejections, the completeness of the collapse? Why are they making up temperatures in the NIST reports? You tell this story to yourself and you leave out all the anomalous parts that don't fit. Are you aware that you are doing this? If what you are saying was true those observations which don't fit in wouldn't have been observed. If your simple model of events were true it would be pretty easily explainable by a valid, peer reviewed paper which didn't keep major elements of its methodology secret.

But really, if we were to be honest, you know you are full of **** by now. You think you are frustrating me with your pigheaded stupidity. You're not tho. You should ask yourself why you have such bad feelings towards those who are free to seek the truth. Why do you enjoy trolling me? Are you jealous of me? You resent me for some reason, out of some fear.

Listen, you crayon munching oxygen thief. I have addressed your dumb criticism about "commercial books cited in Wikipedia" at least 3 times now, and you have completely ignored this feedback and continued to press the dumb claim. This is what I mean when I say that you either can't read or argue completely in bad faith.

For the 4th time for the hard of reading and thinking, the book you have honed in on is not cited in any of the 121 footnotes of the Wikipedia article, and it is 1/10, i.e. 10% of the entries in the bibliography section.

You have not responded to any of these posts, you just continue to bulldoze ahead with your moronic claim that this particular book can't possibly be reliable. Dude, everyone can see you are a total assclown.

Heat blooms, lateral ejections, office chairs oh my

lol These are all examples of the silly **** you've allowed yourself to be distracted by. And about a million others.

It's wild to think there might be heat blooms in a fire. And it's even wilder to think that material might be ejected laterally in a chaotic collapse.

Sigh.

You haven’t provided any evidence to even get into a discussion of the quality of it. We still don’t know your theory as to what happened.

But yes, until then I will believe my eyes that a combination of planes intentionally hitting the towers and the resulting fires caused the buildings’ collapse and collateral damage. Your analogies are worthless.

With regards to building 7, can someone please link a video of a fire in a similar building that caused the building to collapse in it's own footprint in a freefall (absolutely nothing to resist it's freefall) and look exactly like it would if it was professionally demolished with explosives?

All the buildings I've seen that collapsed due to a fire fell one wall or one section or floor at a time, one side of it might collapse first, then the other, etc., but everyone accepts the narrative that building 7 collapsed in a free fall in it's own footprint because "it was on fire".

This is a pretty good article from professionals in the industry, not from an unknown and un named "internet fact checker".

https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles...

Quote from the article:

"It bears repeating" they said (about steel frame buildings). Fires have NEVER caused a total collapse before or after 9/11 (and they're talking about all 3 towers). But the fact checkers are saying "don't worry, you're not being lied to, everything's all peaches and roses. Just continue listening to us and obeying us or we'll terminate your social media"

Playbig, why do you ask questions when you never bother to read the answers?

Wild!

What would that have to do with building 7? It didn't collapse into its own footprint at freefall nor look like it was demolished professionally with explosives.

C'est magique!

What I wonder is how the thermite or whatever would've caused building 7 to start leaning hours before it fell. That's crazy!

If you thought you had valid points you wouldn't feel the need to add so much hyperbole to them. The heat blooms were ridiculously hot and lasted until like Christmas of that year. They were underground on all 3 sites. They were measured by and reported by the government. It takes a lot of energy to fuel such hot fires for so long. The total lack of curiosity or dismissal of this phenomenon marks those who don't want to know the truth. Only those who are, in actuality, indifferent to 9/11 could disregard such a significant anomaly.

The weird thing, my hangup and fascination with this topic, is that people who clearly don't want to know the truth feel compelled to lie and say no, the truth is very important and I do know it. Clearly you don't, but you can't just admit that no, you don't give a damn who took down the towers, or why, as long as you maintain your lifestyle. There always has to be to salute to the truth or to ethical standards with one had while the other hand is wiping the ass with those standards.

I'm not sure but we might be going into an era where we drop these pretenses. Vance said, of the Haitian immigrant dog eating lie, basically that they were going to make up things. I don't know that, in the history of mankind, any such admission has ever been made before by leaders. Spinning further off topic, this general topic, which I don't have a label for, seems to be the thing that pisses off some people about Trump the most. Trump's policies are no different than any neocon who would be elected instead. He didn't do anything different. He tried to kill Assad and the generals just told him flat out no we're not doing that. So there is no real danger of a Trump presidency. You saw everyone who describes him as the antichrist wish him well after both assassination attempts. If you really thought someone was the Manchurian candidate with Hitlerian tendencies would you give them well wishes?

What they hate about Trump is him saying the quiet part out loud. And what, I speculate, Trump's saying the quiet part out loud does is chip away at this elite's ethical façade. Trump is invading Iraq (were he in power) by he's going to say it's for oil. The neocons say it's because America is the guiding light of the world and we have to force the Iraqis to be free etc. etc. I don't know what happens if the ethical facade falls totally. Maybe it will lead to you coming in here and just admitting your total indifference to the truth about 9/11.

One video talks about the leaning tower of WTC and it's like your main meme. Hundreds of witnesses describe explosions prior to collapse but that we ignore. ok. WTC looked pretty upright in the videos I've seen. Before it fell at free fall, vanishing into some kind massive heat generating mechanism.

Um, excuse me, child. Where did you get that I got this from a video? The new York fire department is quite on record about this. Please educate yourself before attempting to reply to me.

No sir. You need to quickly learn the difference between describing explosions and describing explosive sounds, which are quite expected in a large fire.

It's a good thing not a single person on the planet could give two squirts about your unqualified judgement from a grainy video then, huh? I think we'll defer to the qualified people that used an instrument called a transit to measure it, OK, cupcake?

Jfc

The buildings didn't need to fall for them to start the war. Once those planes hit it was game over. And it's not really hyperbole--the 911 conspiracy is filled with literally Tons of different things stitched together into the grand plan.

Deuces--holder of the Truth lol

You're so caught up in a wasted ~25yrs of zero actual proof and chasing endless bs--that you can't allow yourself to just step back and re-evaluate the idea that ya know what it's actually not completely improbable those buildings would collapse that day(from the planes/fires etc) but it's actually possible/what really happened. You're going to have to dig yourself back out or go to your grave screaming at clouds.

Why didn't you go collect some dust for yourself to test? Too busy to crack the case? Happy to sit back and trust what you read on the internet?

You are a conspiraloon. How do you celebrate? You believe the government's conspiracy case, the one so tight they gave a PLEA DEAL to the supposed mastermind. I mean, as an Arab, to kill 3k Americans, of whom many were rich and white, and then get a PLEA DEAL is...I just can't wrap my head around it. It means that what you believe cannot hold up under the slightest scrutiny.

I'm an agnostic. You believe in a wild conspiracy theory about which you know next to nothing. Just because the CIA says its so doesn't make it so. But you can't accept that reality. You are at odds with reality and the fact that you are joined by many others doesn't mean there aren't consequences. Your beliefs, your passive, stupid beliefs combined with those of others have further entrenched and empowered a security state which controls most of our money and which, in its infinite greed, drives us into existential conflicts with nuclear powers.

Say I was the loon. I think something has to account for the massive heat mysteriously generating for months at each collapse site so that means I'm certifiable. So what? I have no power. I get some enjoyment tearing away at your fragile reality but it's all harmless really. And that's true of the collective group of people doubting the 9/11 story. It's not something people are going to politically organize around and if they did they would be massively suppressed.

But when you are the loon we have a problem. When the loons frothing with propaganda support and embiggen the security state there are real consequences. People suffer and die when you uncritically believe the wrong people did 9/11. There is an apparatus you can plug into and generate actions from your loony beliefs, for example that Russia is completely controlled by Putin, an evil man who wants to conquer Europe as a vanity project. You support the people who act on that fairy tale and billions of dollars of weapons get shipped to the most corrupt country on the planet which just so happens to be teeming with neo nazis. The blowback from this is going to be breathtaking. But you just won't stop believing.