2024 ELECTION THREAD

2024 ELECTION THREAD

The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?


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14 July 2022 at 02:28 PM
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by Shifty86 P

Harris desperate. You don't beg for a 2nd debate if you are winning.

She's winning.




by Rococo P

The validity of this view really depends on what you hope to get out of a forum like this one. If you want to read views that you agree with, or that reflect basic human decency, then you are probably correct.

I could direct him to a forum for the former but certainly not the latter.


by Victor P

I could direct him to a forum for the former but certainly not the latter.

UP seem like decent enough people - they banned you, right?


by d2_e4 P

UP seem like decent enough people - they banned you, right?

And erased all traces of your existence by the looks of it, went to check if you were banned and your name doesn't even come up in the search any more.


by d2_e4 P

If I have understood him correctly he is not disputing anthropogenic climate change, but he has some plausible sounding arguments that the impact of it is nowhere near as disastrous as we've been led to believe (in addition, he doesn't care, but that's whatever). So, I am finding reading the responses from knowledgeable posters to that particular line very informative.

It Is not disastrous even for the worst affected countries (think Bangladesh), and with that I mean that even with climate change life is going to be bette than today 30 yeaes from now because of economic growth (so no apocalypse is incoming) and it's actually positive (and significantly so) for countries that started as colder than optimum for human beings.

Notice how the response to my "hello? Germany is obviously better off if it gets warmer because it starts as too cold for humans" invariably becomes "yes but think of Indonesia"


by Luciom P

It Is not disastrous even for the worst affected countries (think Bangladesh), and with that I mean that even with climate change life is going to be bette than today 30 yeaes from now because of economic growth (so no apocalypse is incoming) and it's actually positive (and significantly so) for countries that started as colder than optimum for human beings.

Notice how the response to my "hello? Germany is obviously better off if it gets war

As I have said, I strongly suspect you are wrong, but I am not well informed enough on this subject to argue the point.


by Rococo P

I don't think there is much to understand about his views on climate change. He isn't making some sort of scientific argument that disputes anthropogenic climate change. I'm not competent to get in the weeds on climate change science either. His view is more along the lines of "I don't care that it is occurring because it doesn't negatively affect me." I feel perfectly competent to respond to that view.

I agree that Luciom isn't an idi

If you think that people like me, pro help to Ukraine, pro abortion in the first trimester, pro global trade, pro drug legalization, pro euthanasia are the dangerous ones on the right you really haven't ever met a Vance or any other educated rightwing person motivated by a combination of actual reactionarism and or theology


The brilliance is they don't think he's a troll


by Shifty86 P

Harris desperate. You don't beg for a 2nd debate if you are winning.

You don’t work the spin room as a presidential candidate if you are winning


by d2_e4 P

UP seem like decent enough people - they banned you, right?

they stole my money and as a requisite for returning the stolen funds I accepted a permaban. me personally, I dont think that thieves, warmongers, and transphobes are decent.


by d2_e4 P

As I have said, I strongly suspect you are wrong, but I am not well informed enough on this subject to argue the point.

What do you suspect is wrong in my assessment? Check IPCC estimates for GDP under RCP 4.5.

RCP 4.5 is peak CO2 worldwide emissions in 2040, and 2100 at around half the global emissions of 2050, so very very very far from net zero.

Under those Bangladesh per Capita GDP in 2100 is like 7-10% lower than the counterfactual with the same temperature as in +1900, which is still like 150-200% more than today because of economic growth.

And that's the worst affected country lol.

Does this look like an apocalypse to you? Does the above even vaguely justify a fraction of the leftist obsession on the topic?


by diebitter P

The brilliance is they don't think he's a troll

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

You seem to be rather stubborn. Weren't you also the 0.99999... is not equal to 1 guy?


by Luciom P

What do you suspect is wrong in my assessment? Check IPCC estimates for GDP under RCP 4.5.

RCP 4.5 is peak CO2 worldwide emissions in 2040, and 2100 at around half the global emissions of 2050, so very very very far from net zero.

Under those Bangladesh per Capita GDP in 2100 is like 7-10% lower than the counterfactual with the same temperature as in +1900, which is still like 150-200% more than today because of economic growth.

And that's the

I don't even know what those acronyms mean. I'll wait for someone else to respond to this and explain what it means and why it's wrong, which goes back to my point of why I like having you around.


by d2_e4 P

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

You seem to be rather stubborn. Weren't you also the 0.99999... is not equal to 1 guy?



UP decent people? lol?


by Victor P

they stole my money and as a requisite for returning the stolen funds I accepted a permaban. me personally, I dont think that thieves, warmongers, and transphobes are decent.

Wasn't the money a donation? Anyway, lol, they they paid you to go away. Is that an offer here too? Name your price, we'll have a whip-round.


the donation was made under the idea that lol anarchistic principles of community ownership would be safeguarded. when admins started stealing private information and transphobe mods started capriciously making redic bans and liberal mods refused to give up power per previous agreements then I asked for a return of funds.


by d2_e4 P

I don't even know what those acronyms mean. I'll wait for someone else to respond to this and explain what it means and why it's wrong, which goes back to my point of why I like having you around.

RCPs are the possible scenarios of future emissions.

2.6 is "we do what Greta wants", 8.5 is nobody will ever care about reducing emissions ever and we will never use renewable and stuff (we are already out of that possible scenarios right now, they were devised a while ago).

Then given the emission path you run models for the consequences


by StoppedRainingMen P

like it’s his ****ing job


by steamraise P

He's gets paid by the word.

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by Victor P

the donation was made under the idea that lol anarchistic principles of community ownership would be safeguarded. when admins started stealing private information and transphobe mods started capriciously making redic bans and liberal mods refused to give up power per previous agreements then I asked for a return of funds.


Incredible that it went so wrong.


by d2_e4 P

Wasn't the money a donation? Anyway, lol, they they paid you to go away. Is that an offer here too? Name your price, we'll have a whip-round.

I’m still waiting for my Le Creuset 😡


by jalfrezi P


Incredible that it went so wrong.

it really was an amazing experiment in liberal politics. the speed that center left liberals went full fash was never something I would have believed had I not witnessed it firsthand. hell I would probably still be a dutiful Dem voter if I had never met those people.


by Victor P

the donation was made under the idea that lol anarchistic principles of community ownership would be safeguarded. when admins started stealing private information and transphobe mods started capriciously making redic bans and liberal mods refused to give up power per previous agreements then I asked for a return of funds.

Sounds like quite the melodrama over there!

I admit now I’m a little curious…


by Victor P

the donation was made under the idea that lol anarchistic principles of community ownership would be safeguarded. when admins started stealing private information and transphobe mods started capriciously making redic bans and liberal mods refused to give up power per previous agreements then I asked for a return of funds.

Lmao.


by Crossnerd P

I’m still waiting for my Le Creuset 😡

Actually that's a good point. Why pay Victor when we can just pay you?


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