Gun control
I think that the Gun control thread got lost when the old politics thread got moved.
1 The rest of the world looks at the US policy with slack jawed astonishment.
2. “Guns don’t kill people , people do” is identical to “Nuclear weapons don’t kill people, people do”
3. Using the idea that carrying guns can prevent the government oppressing you seems to ignore the fact that the US government controls the most effective killing machine in history
Not one, millions. And you don't stop the dictatorship which has already established itself in full, you stop attempts to establish it.
And yes if your claim is that the 2a would require civilians to be allowed to access ALL WEAPONS available to the militaries to always be at the same level, of course i agree.
For example the USA couldn't do a lockdown like Italy in any state because widespread possession of guns by basically potentially ever
Yes, we should allow civilians to purchase tanks. And nukes. Good idea, the common sense is just flowing from you today all over the place!
The idea that a Rambo-type character with a hand/shot gun is going to stop a government hell-bent on dictatorship unleashing the might of modern military weapons on the populace seems to be a wet dream of ammosexuals the world over, but I think you'll agree that common sense dictates that it is just that.
The us legally killed its citizens through slavery and racist laws until the late 1960s
during that same time frame, citizens began arming themselves, helping their communities and established anti racist patrols to protect people from the KKK
CA govt caught wind of this and illegally banned people from protecting themselves with guns
as a country, we owe black people the right to self defense. There is a much higher risk of racism coming back and slavery coming back than there is of all these other things
if you care about black people and eliminating slavery (which still exists in the US today) then you must support their right to self defense, a right the govt is not allowed to infringe upon
The idea that a Rambo-type character with a hand/shot gun is going to stop a government hell-bent on dictatorship unleashing the might of modern military grade weapons on its own populace seems to be a wet dream of ammosexuals the world over, but I think you'll agree that common sense dictates that it is just that.
I don't think it would be a Rambo situation.
More like a few million Zerglings vs a bunch of Marines with Medivac support. The marines are going to trade losses favorably, but their ranks are much more finite. If the government unleashes the Ghosts and starts nuking the populace, then guns or no guns wouldn't have mattered anyway and you just hope the dolphins have a better run at getting off this rock than we did.
I don't think it would be a Rambo situation.
More like a few million Zerglings vs a bunch of Marines with Medivac support. The marines are going to trade losses favorably, but their ranks are much more finite. If the government unleashes the Ghosts and starts nuking the populace, then guns or no guns wouldn't have mattered anyway and you just hope the dolphins have a better run at getting off this rock than we did.
Dude, there is a middle ground between infantry on the ground and nukes. You know they also have things like APCs, fighter jets, bombers, drones, stuff like that, right? Your and Luciom's million hunters might take out a handful of tanks and take some pot shots at a chopper before they get mowed down.
bulgarian rent is like 5% of USA rent cmon now
also the rich decide what things are crimes or not
super easy way to reduce crime is get rid of stupid or racist laws that cause people to labeled as criminals
and until speeding is legal, the group of people that has the most cars and drives the most commits the most crimes
its almost never going to be immigrants
The avg price per sqft in the USA is 169, in Sofia (bulgaria capital) it's ... 1550 eur/sqmeter which is basically the same.
And yes if your claim is that the 2a would require civilians to be allowed to access ALL WEAPONS available to the militaries to always be at the same level, of course i agree.
When I was younger, this sort of absolutism (not with respect to the 2A, but more generally) had some intellectual appeal for me. It often leads to conclusions that make you feel smart and transgressive.
But as the years have passed, I have become more flexible in my thinking. I would say my ego has diminished over the same period. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Reminds me of the old saying: "young people, make sure you fix the world while you still know everything".
Dude, there is a middle ground between infantry on the ground and nukes. You know they also have things like APCs, fighter jets, bombers, drones, stuff like that, right? Your and Luciom's million hunters might take out a handful of tanks and take some pot shots at a chopper before they get mowed down.
again, if the whole US armed forces become a tool in the hand of a federal dictator and the militaries willingly execute his orders it's gg no matter what.
Fact is, a lot of stuff has to happend before that point is reached.
For example a portion of the militaries might become resistance, and join the several millions of civilians with guns (and weapon training).
Or the very existence of civilians with guns would make a dictatorship "softer", less willing to use absolute violence
Dude, there is a middle ground between infantry on the ground and nukes. You know they also have things like APCs, fighter jets, bombers, drones, stuff like that, right? Your and Luciom's million hunters might take out a handful of tanks and take some pot shots at a chopper before they get mowed down.
I think you aren't giving enough credit to the civilian population here, but I personally don't own any weapons so I'll be dead to the first G-men that knock on my door during the initial roundup. Had a good run. Good luck everyone else.
again, if the whole US armed forces become a tool in the hand of a federal dictator and the militaries willingly execute his orders it's gg no matter what.
Fact is, a lot of stuff has to happend before that point is reached.
For example a portion of the militaries might become resistance, and join the several millions of civilians with guns (and weapon training).
Or the very existence of civilians with guns would make a dictatorship "softer",
Seems like a pretty weak reason to arm the population for all the other problems it causes. "Well, if the government wants to become a dictatorship, and they're not really that serious about it, then maybe they might be dissuaded because some people own guns." Not really a very common sense argument, if you ask me.
I have no issue with putting the blame on the bad guy, or in many cases, the unstable person. But how about we make it just a wee bit more difficult for them to get their hands on a gun.
I think both parties are trying to do this. Dems are trying to release as many criminals back into society as they can while also trying to take the guns from as many people as they can. Repubs are trying to release as few criminals back into society as they can and take as few guns away from people as they can. I would say both of these strategies reduce the number of guns that are in bad peoples' hands.
The governor of KY, Andy Beshear, (who is being talked about as one of the 4 or 5 potential replacements for biden should biden step down) released 1,704 inmates during covid and 1/2 of them have already commited another crime - 1/3 committed felonies.
you guys are very naive. first, we already saw what the right will try to do; they will try to kidnap a govenor and hang the VP/ Speaker of the house. Both of these have already happened
also lol at thinking the entire fed govt will fight the millions of hunters, a large large portion of the govt will be joining the crazy republicans, so the govt wont be a one sided organized fight
I dont think you guys understand what happens during coups and civil wars; peoples get targeted in their homes and their families become hostages; it doesnt matter if you have stealth bombers and helicopters when republican fanatics have kidnapped civilians
Seems like a pretty weak reason to arm the population for all the other problems it causes. "Well, if the government wants to become a dictatorship, and they're not really that serious about it, then maybe they might be dissuaded because some people own guns." Not really a very common sense argument, if you ask me.
The "all other problems it causes" also include allowing people to protect themselves.
Because unless you go -99% with weapons availability (and that goes well beyond removing the 2a), the bad guys will have weapons anyway, it's the good guys who won't anymore.
I mean the mafia in Italy does have guns even if it's quite hard to get a permit to have one (at home) for civilians, and far harder (almost impossible outside a few specific jobs) to have a carry permit
The coolest thing about being a criminal is that the rules technically don't apply to you until you get caught breaking them; and even then, only sometimes.
People who don't have that mental deficiency tend to follow the rules just because they're the rules.
Suckers.
Criminals commit crimes so let's legalise everything so there's no such thing as crimes any more. Solid logic, guys.
Because I don't know the scope... and not really interested in researching the issue:
US military vs. Combined 50 State's Militias
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Criminals commit crimes so let's legalise everything so there's no such thing as crimes any more. Solid logic, guys.
Or, and stick with me on this one, maybe enforce the rules already in place with enough consistency and completeness that they serve as an actual deterrent to misbehavior.
If people could behave themselves without rules written down somewhere, people wouldn't have invented religion, right?
Have you met people? People suck. Fear of eternal damnation is doing WORK out there. Maybe we need more people to go to church and smack their kids around a bit so we go back to a time where the younglings respected their elders and weren't available on weekends to steal all the Kias because they were too busy with Sunday School.
Or, and stick with me on this one, maybe enforce the rules already in place with enough consistency and completeness that they serve as an actual deterrent to misbehavior.
If people could behave themselves without rules written down somewhere, people wouldn't have invented religion, right?
Have you met people? People suck. Fear of eternal damnation is doing WORK out there. Maybe we need more people to go to church and smack their kids aro
Dafuq any of this have to do with gun control?
I dunno. You're the one who brought up legalizing everything. That's obviously not going to solve anything. People need structure.
We don't need more gun control laws to stop the violence in America. We need to use the ones we already have to lock violent criminals up for good.
I dunno. You're the one who brought up legalizing everything. That's obviously not going to solve anything. People need structure.
We don't need more gun control laws to stop the violence in America. We need to use the ones we already have to lock violent criminals up for good.
The US already has harsher sentencing for drugs, firearms offenses and violent offenses than any other Western country. I guess if something isn't working, it's clearly because we aren't doing enough of it, right?
Here's a thought - use that money you were going to use for all the prisons, and use it to build some more schools instead.
When you figure out how to get these kids to show up to the schools we already have, you let us know.
Birth rates are in decline. We have way too many schools as is. Every urban center in America has empty school buildings.
