ex-President Trump

If it has been about loyalty risks, it would have been nationwide.

Instead it was about not allow japanese spies to pass as normal Americans.

It was ethnical in the most real sense of the word, they wanted the equivalent of a permanent curfew in the west coast for Japanese people, so any spy would be immediately recognizable

Online discourse about wrestling in particular is probably more left leaning than any mainstream sport. The fanbase as a whole is skewed the other way a bit by older fans but still overall is more left-leaning than most. That said sport fandom in general skews right-leaning so that doesn't necessarily mean the wrestling fanbase as a whole is left of centre when compared to the entire population, just other sports fandoms.

UFC/MMA is certainly more right-leaning than wrestling but probably not to the extent that people might expect (and certainly not to the extent of things like NFL or PGA golf).

I am to the right of center in the groups I am involved with. But the groups i’m involved in are far to the left of mainstream society view wise. So, instead of being more liberal than 99.9% of people i’m more liberal than like 98% of people.

Huh, I have never heard that as a reason given for the policy.

I don't know why they wouldn't worry more about Japanese spies on the east coast. War policy was being made in Washington DC, not San Francisco.

It's not about immigration because the law is clear and they couldn't theoretically trespass.

It's about to which length you go, once they enter, to help them.

The appeal court correctly denied the feds a right to cut the wire *on US SOIL* *on Texas land* put by the state of Texas.

Why should the fed have any say on how the state of Texas manages his own land?

It's not about who is allowed entrance legally (which is a federal decision)

You make it sound like this was about an area nowhere near the border. In fact the wire in question was was preventing federal immigration agents from accessing a portion of the border at all. It was literally stopping them launching their patrol boats and monitoring border crossings at a particularly treacherous spot.

Given the wire was literally preventing immigration agents from accessing a section of the river (which is the defined border between the countries) I tend to agree with chillrob that it's wild that this wasn't a 9-0 decision.

Pretty sure d2 already nailed this:

Seriously?? If so, wow. All these people breaking stereotypes I hold dear; our daughter has moved to Calgary because the theater scene is really strong there, and has found the LGBTQ community is as well (for Americans who don't know, think Texas Lite, at least it was in the 80s and 90s). How's an old guy like me supposed to get through this? What, do I have to actually judge people individually now? ****, that's a lot of work! :p

This doesn't surprise me much and I misspoke a bit.

I think if you've had depression or anxiety and you tend to vote rep or dem that doesn't mean a ton. There are things to dig into there. Part of depression is you have a weak denial mechanism. Lower status people probably have more anxiety...

I meant, people who are really out of it often become complete Trump fanatics in a way I've never seen.

E.g. I knew a guy who thought Trump was sending him coded messages in his speeches. I know 2 guys who tell absurd lies all the time. One tells everyone he is a MD with an MBA from Harvard , which is far from true. The other was fired from a good job after 500 warnings because he creeped out female customers . Both will never shut up about this stuff.

I know still another who you will never see without a trump shirt, usually a shirt and hat, who is not as generally crazy as the others, but is estranged from family over q. Always falling for scams too.

QAnon is an example outside my personal life, though I met a 2÷2 poster who was into that and he had a huge meltdown in the live hold em forum.

Can't think of one person like this who worshiped Obama, W. Etc. They didn't have anything like Q.

Part of the difference is the internet. But I also think Trump has a particular hold on such people.

I think the simple explanation is that idolatry, need for authoritarian figures, religiosity, gullibility, science denial, propensity to believe in conspiracy theories, and, dare I say it, conservatism (at least of the MAGA variety) are all traits which are negatively correlated with intelligence, therefore positively correlated with one another.

whatever you say daddy

Yeah, no. Hard no.

Man, all I said was if an employer isn't keeping up their end of the agreement in any way, either talk with them about it to resolve it or terminate your employment.

If you'd prefer to take money out of the drawer to secretly "keep the books balanced" and deal with whatever the ramifications of that may be, then you do you boo.

There is no federal legal obligation to guarantee the safety of illegal aliens on US SOIL from any threat.

The US fed solicitor asked for the ability to cut the wire to save immigrants from themselves basically after they trespassed.

How is that a federal responsibility in any way or form? If the request was about accessing the border to make it impossible for people to trespass I would understand.

They literally asked to be able to succour trespassers already on US soil.

From SCOTUS blog

Where in the constitution is that a power of the fed?

Why are illegal aliens risking death even taken into consideration at all? Where in the constitution do you transparently see a federal duty (and power) to save the lives of illegal aliens in distress on US soil?

Texas position was adamantly correct: the feds responsibility wrt border is only about using force to block trespassers, or apprehend then after they illegally trespass, their lives being at risk has nothing to do with the federal government role, constitutionally.

There is no word in the constitution about the federal government having to help aliens in any way so they shouldn't even be legally allowed to help them.

So you're hard on his suggestion?

It was a joke about the kind of blind allegiance to authoritarianism he was discussing
but w/e

I guess I should fit into the thread better by pointing out Trump fans are in a cult, won’t admit their own biases, and are on average more prone to wanting an authoritative(daddy) figure for the 800th time. Furthermore, I have noticed Trump can be quite rude.

Have you checked how the very liberals are on GMOs or nuclear lately, or genetical determinants of intelligence or biological sex, just to talk about science denial?

Talking about antivaxxers, remind me who blacks overwhelmingly vote for?

I think anyone who denies the sex binary is a bigger science denialist than even the worst qanon shaman.

And anyone who believes Greta is more gullible than people who donate to fund the wall

What is your basis for saying that wrestling fans are more left-leaning than, say, NBA fans? That doesn't sound correct to me at all, especially when you consider that wrestling has always been very popular in the Southeast.

A lot of maga people actually strongly disagreed with trump on COVID vaccines to the point they started considering he might be a sellout.

Others really hated that he didn't pardon Snowden or that he bombed Syria.

I don't think you guys realize how much kore radical "maga people" are than trump himself.

It's not a religion, it's people who have always held opinions far far far to the (horseshoe) right of republican establishment, trump vaguely came a tad closer to them and they appreciated that, but they are far more radical than you guys can comprehend if you think trump is the religious leader and the radical one

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Have you checked how the very liberals are on GMOs or nuclear lately, or genetical determinants of intelligence or biological sex, just to talk about science denial?

Talking about antivaxxers, remind me who blacks overwhelmingly vote for?

I think anyone who denies the sex binary is a bigger science denialist than even the worst qanon shaman.

And anyone who believes Greta is more gullible than people who donate to fund the wall

I said correlated. That doesn't mean that every single person right of centre exhibits all those traits or every single person left of centre doesn't.

What is Greta wrong about? Don't tell me you're an anthropogenic climate change denier please, we were just starting to get along.

Putting aside the fact that I’m making fun of how often it gets repeated as a kind of revelation,

27offsuits depiction of talking to the average Trump voter is a correct one. There is a blind allegiance amongst trump supporters that is startling. The average trump supporter doesn’t even know who snowden is.

I think his handling of covid , but much more so abortion are liabilities for him . shrugs.

Right. For the avoidance of doubt, this is a bad thing.

For avoidance of confusion, this is not about Trump either though.

For whatever reason(s), many millions American radicalized a lot on the right, you can talk Trump as much as you want but it's the opposite side of the causal arrow.

And those people are the core constituencies of republican primaries.

Which means safe red seats are being filled with very very very radical people, especially in the house.

Which explains the current tragicomical events in the house, but also should make it clear it won't go away with Trump going away

Heard a great explanation of this once: He says and does the things that they have always wanted to say and do in public(but previously couldn't).

Another interesting point I picked up along the way from a guy who taught at The Naval War College for 20 years was, most of these people have lived in such freedom and opulence for so long(even the poors), with no war coming to them or even their shores, and nothing to really fight for, they have simply become bored with their lives, with a dash of regret for their lack of success in life, and this simply becomes their lives.

I'll post a few of his thoughts on the topic later because he says it better than me, but I found that very, very interesting.

Now that Twitter is basically uncensored, you see stuff that should make you worried, and again it's not trump.

I am talking accounts with 100k+ followers that are hyper antisemite, and/or anti blacks. Accounts that mock people with interracial kids. Accounts that blame women from being beaten if they have a black partner. Accounts that ask for the deportation of all coloured people from the USA and Europe.

I am talking main, biggish accounts who monetize this stuff.

You think this is Trump?