Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
False, Zelenskyy did not cancel elections. As you've been told multiple times now, elections are not held when the country is under martial law.
Are you suggesting that Zelenskyy declares martial law and the parliament approves it not because of the invasion and existential threat that Ukraine faces, but so that Zelenskyy can remain in power without an election?
Rulers in power do what they can to stay in power. Putin, trump, Zelensky, bibi, etc
Where the idea that Zelenskyy wants to stay in power, and is even faking the need for martial law (or he orchestrated the entire invasion), came from is beyond me. He ran on only wanting one term. He said he will not run again after the war. There's no reason not to believe him.
It's silly.
that idea came from you, just now. did anyone else say that?
You do realize he can need martial law and also do things to keep himself in power
are you arguing that Zelensky isnt trying to keep himself in power? yes or no
Please post where anyone besides BGp said Z was faking the need
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please show me where anyone besides you said faking the need
How would you describe Zelenskyy declaring martial law under the pretext that Russia invading is an event worthy of martial law, but actually he is declaring martial law because he wishes to stay in power without an election?
Should be easy to google!
How would you describe Zelenskyy declaring martial law under the pretext that Russia invading is an event worthy of martial law, but actually he is declaring martial law because he wishes to stay in power without an election?
Are you still talking about faking the need? You still haven’t shown where anyone besides you said it. Why’re you using the word but? Use the word AND
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Helped someone with how words work and helped someone else learn how to google.
I think those are my good deeds for the day.
I left out no word, it reads exactly as it should.
Helped someone with how words work and helped someone else learn how to google.
I think those are my good deeds for the day.
I already googled it but wasnt certain.
given your cageyness, it sounds like you agree that they are naming weapons after Bandera. very normal country that totally doesnt represent neo-Nazis.
Given your refusal to answer this exchange I guess you agree that your comparison is a weak attempt at belittling dead civilians. Very normal behavior that doesn't support Putin's right to invade and murder:
Unfortunately due to USA aid being blocked, we get to test the previous threads competing theories.
Theory 1: Putin is not trying to kill civilians, if he was he'd be killing far more.
Theory 2: Putin is absolutely trying to kill civilians, but western air defenses are largely preventing him.
(For whatever reason things like Mariupol and other flattened cities were already being ignored and only current casualties were deemed as appropriate ev
How would you describe Zelenskyy declaring martial law under the pretext that Russia invading is an event worthy of martial law, but actually he is declaring martial law because he wishes to stay in power without an election?
Both of you can feel free to explain this however you wish as long as it's honest to the original statement and then replace what I said, my point remains the same. **** this forum is full of pedantry.
if he wanted elections, they would be held. the fact that elections are not happening means he wants to stay in power.
Both of you can feel free to explain this however you wish as long as it's honest to the original statement and then replace what I said, my point remains the same. **** this forum is full of pedantry.
youre the one being pedantic. a normal person would be like yes, youre right, I was wrong. Instead, youre like omg you knew what I meant (lol) youre being pedantic
if he wanted elections, they would be held. the fact that elections are not happening means he wants to stay in power.
the fact that he hasnt abdicated his job to someone else shows he wants to stay in power. Elections not happening could be for many reasons
clearly zelenksy thinks he is best at defending the country, and he does not want to let someone else lead who he feels would do a better job. Tell me where Im wrong?
False. False. And a false representation of the statement you agreed to, which completely removes the main premise of it.
Are you suggesting that Zelenskyy declares martial law and the parliament approves it not because of the invasion and existential threat that Ukraine faces, but so that Zelenskyy can remain in power without an election?
Own it.
The constitution states that under martial law elections do not occur. The parliament has to vote for it! Do you two really not realize that Russia is currently invading Ukraine at the moment?
You two are arguing that by upholding a democratic constitution Zelenskyy is bypassing democracy.
The statement that Victor agreed to clearly states that Zelenskyy and parliament give one reason for why they are implementing martial law, but the true reason is Zelenskyy wants to stay in power. This is one or the other, it is clearly stated which is why PW tried to change the statement then tried to argue the original statement was incorrect (lol) when it was worried precisely. If you state you are doing something because it is needed, but really you're doing it for another reason, then you are "faking".
Holy ****.
The constitution states that under martial law elections do not occur. The parliament has to vote for it! Do you two really not realize that Russia is currently invading Ukraine at the moment?
You two are arguing that by upholding a democratic constitution Zelenskyy is bypassing democracy.
The statement that Victor agreed to clearly states that Zelenskyy and parliament give one reason for why they are implementing martial law, but the true r
no I didnt argue that lol vic mightve but I dont care that much. I was simply pointing out where you were wrong. Also for the millionth time, it doesnt have to be one reason or another, it can be many reasons.
right, you can state you are doing something because its needed and also do it for other reasons. this is called being responsible.
no I didnt argue that lol vic mightve but I dont care that much. I was simply pointing out where you were wrong. Also for the millionth time, it doesnt have to be one reason or another, it can be many reasons.
right, you can state you are doing something because its needed and also do it for other reasons. this is called being responsible.
I was not wrong.
I specifically phrased the question I gave Victor so it would be one or the other. He said yes that it was not one, it was the other. So yes, it is possible that something can be done for many reasons, but in the case we are discussing it was one reason or the other.
The constitution states that under martial law elections do not occur. The parliament has to vote for it! Do you two really not realize that Russia is currently invading Ukraine at the moment?
You two are arguing that by upholding a democratic constitution Zelenskyy is bypassing democracy.
The statement that Victor agreed to clearly states that Zelenskyy and parliament give one reason for why they are implementing martial law, but the true r
martial law, by its nature is always going to be a consolidation of power and undemocratic. you can argue the reasons are worthwhile and in good faith. but thats not the question.
furthermore, there is no reason that they couldnt hold elections despite the martial law, or suspend martial law to have the elections.
I did not think that the idea that Zelenskyy wants to stay in power would be so controversial.
I was not wrong.
I specifically phrased the question I gave Victor so it would be one or the other. He said yes that it was not one, it was the other. So yes, it is possible that something can be done for many reasons, but in the case we are discussing it was one reason or the other.
You said Vic said Zelensky was faking it. Vic never said that.
That’s it.
