Israel/Palestine thread
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There are also instructions to heat the food up...
Kind of pointing out the obvious but this man doesn't seem to be starving.
Oh yeah, it's probably his friends selling.
The entire thing is completely absurd. The fact that he's not starving and is in a position to treat this as a meal review instead of desperately needed calories yes still took the mre is completely ridiculous.
do you even know who the guy is? is he in Gaza? its a Visegrad tweet, why would they be posting that?
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did I say that?
The entire thing is completely absurd. The fact that he's not starving and is in a position to treat this as a meal review instead of desperately needed calories yes still took the mre is completely ridiculous.
****ed to blame genocide victims for trying to act like normal people. How dare they! What kinda position are these people even in!
It's impossible for [strike]pointless[/strike]words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror.
****ed to blame genocide victims for trying to act like normal people. How dare they! What kinda position are these people even in!
Agreed. Anyways...
Regarding the clip and the nonsense about giving food to starving people being bad: USA is not going to go into Gaza. Supplying as much food as possible is the goal. I personally doubt anyone is getting killed from the parachutes, but that is beyond the control of the people dropping the food. It is done in as safe a manner as possible. The risk of some people suffering from refeeding syndrome is a risk that has to be taken to give meals to the majority. Yep it's ****ed up, but that's the situation. Suggesting it's better to starve hundreds of thousands because the food isn't gourmet or because someone could be strangled by the parachute is absolutely ridiculous.
Have any reports of these deaths actually been confirmed? How do they compare to the amount of people fed?
Well, if it will have the same issues, then we might as well stop trying to get food to them by truck as well, as it will also just do more harm than good.
Seems like they're all just screwed.
Getting shot seems less bad than starving to death, so maybe Israel is doing the humanitarian thing.
Well, if it will have the same issues, then we might as well stop trying to get food to them by truck as well, as it will also just do more harm than good.
Seems like they're all just screwed.
Getting shot seems less bad than starving to death, so maybe Israel is doing the humanitarian thing.
The most humane thing for the Palestinians at this point would be to completely cut them off of aid and facilitate their emigration to somewhere where they can get a fresh start. Palestinian society really is addicted to hate and antisemitism. And the rest of the world is their drug dealer that just keeps facilitating the addiction. I really see no out for them in their current circumstances.
They need to leave the environment so they can detox and go to cultural rehab. Maybe Israel has been playing 4D chess this whole time, and this was the plan all along (I tend to not believe that govts are ever ruthlessly strategically competent, and most conspiracy theories that involve this kind of intrigue are wrong, but that is just me).
But regardless, this is really the only humane thing to do at this point. The idea they can stay where they are under the current dynamics, and would ever choose a peaceful, functional society over nihilistic hate and Jihad just isn't realistic IMO.
this quote is from pages back talking about mre
I just have to comment, you are being ridiculous. I was in army, ate them all the time. Give me a break. It will kill zero of them. All that nonsense about not being able to digest... is laughable.
It's also the perfect food drop in a f'ed up situation. What makes it a bad option is how freakin expensive they are. It's way way cheaper to roll in equipment and food and start mess camps cooking for them. But they obviously aren't there yet, so you won't be getting steak and pototoes from the sky my deranged friend.
They could try something like this instead:
Agreed. Anyways...
Regarding the clip and the nonsense about giving food to starving people being bad: USA is not going to go into Gaza. Supplying as much food as possible is the goal. I personally doubt anyone is getting killed from the parachutes, but that is beyond the control of the people dropping the food. It is done in as safe a manner as possible. The risk of some people suffering from refeeding syndrome is a risk that has to be tak
you spread a lot of misinformation. it is well documented that giving food to starving people has killed them.
and wtf at bolded.
you are entitled to your opinions but not the facts.
Ground casualties from food drops happen. But it's a very small number that usually decreases over time. Having a heavy drop pallet streamer in is pretty rare,but total chute malfunctions happen. When you have to fly over populated areas the danger increases.
After the first Gulf War the Coalition ran Operation Provide Comfort that established no fly zones over large parts of Iraq and included food drops to the Kurds in the north. There were some ground casualties there initially as the people didnt realize how large and heavy the pallets were because they dont look that big when up in the sky. And they underestimated the speed they moved with. So the psyop teams produced leaflets warning people to stay away until the pallets had landed.
So it isnt really surprising that there were some initial problems.
As for the Humanitarian Daily Rations versus MREs, Im sure both have been improved tremendously in the many years since I was in the Army. Back then, the main differences were that HDR contained no animal product foods to avoid religious restrictions. And also, back then mres had some entrees that were dehydrated and required water to be added and some "wet" entrees that didnt. HDR only had wet meals since availability of water could be a problem initially.
Please...
Of the threads I participate in regularly you spread by far the most misinformation.
I have definitely posted some things which were incorrect, but it is a small minority, especially in comparison to you.
You have also been given the most resources to fix your misunderstandings but instead of using them you continue to post misinformation despite being given every opportunity to correct yourself.
it is well documented that giving food to starving people has killed them.
I never suggested otherwise.
From the post which you just quoted:
The risk of some people suffering from refeeding syndrome is a risk that has to be taken to give meals to the majority. Yep it's ****ed up, but that's the situation.
and wtf at bolded.
you are entitled to your opinions but not the facts.
Yes these things fail sometimes and the results are awful. I am pretty sure all deaths resulting from the story you linked occurred from the rather heavy object striking them and regarding the part of your post which I referenced, x is exactly 0:
You are entitled to your opinions, but not the facts.
According to victor logic ambulances should be banned because them speeding fast on urban roads sometimes causes car accidents, and it would be correct to claim ambulances kill people.
Just disregard the positives
Please...
Of the threads I participate in regularly you spread by far the most misinformation.
I have definitely posted some things which were incorrect, but it is a small minority, especially in comparison to you.
You have also been given the most resources to fix your misunderstandings but instead of using them you continue to post misinformation despite being given every opportunity to correct yourself.
I never suggested otherwise.
From the
you cant name one piece of misinformation I have posted.
meanwhile, you are in here claiming that people wont die during a famine from eating the wrong food. you know who disagrees with you? the USA who actually formulated a proper meal ration for starving people during a famine. why are they dropping MRE when they could drop the HDR?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitari...
why do you defend dropping an inappropriate ration in Gaza? I could make some guesses but whats the point, you will never question your internal biases. you dont even know they exist.
and yes, someone died from being strangled by a parachute rope.
Hasn’t been used since 2010
you spread a lot of misinformation. it is well documented that giving food to starving people has killed them.
and wtf at bolded.
you are entitled to your opinions but not the facts.
FWIW there was a single incident, and I read it was actually a UAE airdrop; and they use an old style of parachute which is much less reliable than the ones used by the US.
And regardless, this kind of stuff happens in wars. Same as the thousands of rockets Hamas has misfired over the years has undoubtably killed thousands and thousands of Palestinians. And the Victor's of the world couldn't care less. Because they dont care about Palestinian lives at all, they only care about ideology.
