Israel/Palestine thread

but the ongoing genocide and murder of a child every 10 minutes is not insane and morally bankrupt amirite?

Ya cause WW2 and D - day never happened. And the US never had suicide bombers either

Lmao learn your history. You are very smart.

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Slaverys not abolished. Are you lying or ignorant?

you spend all of your time in this thread criticizing the Resistance. so yes, that is your position.

not once have you criticized Israel for what it is doing.

False.

Interesting to hear that you've finally come out in support of Russia though.

Seriously? BGP has done that plenty in here.

saying stuff like Israel needs to get more aid in or Israel needs to kill less civilians is not actual criticism. the premise is wrong bc it leaves the assumption that Israel has any right to do any of this stuff.

it ignores that the whole point of Israel's conduct is to deny people aid and to kill as many children as possible.

Victor you don't want Israel to win lol. You don't want Hamas to be crushed, and Palestinians simply to fully stop all form of violence with no ifs and buts.

So everything you ask for should not be listened to, even if it vaguely overlaps with stuff said by someone who actually wants Israel to win.

Israel not only has a right to do anything to make Palestinians incapable of ever again pulling a 10 7: it has a fundamental moral imperative to do so. That's the premise.

And btw disagreement with that premise should be criminalized, in war you don't have the luxury of stanning for our enemy while living among us.

ofc I dont want Israel to win. just like I would have rooted against the Nazis. I am not a fan of genocide.

More racist claptrap. Of course there's nothing remotely so American as the idea of bravely dying for your country, the heroic guy who's willing to sacrifice everything for America is a part of basically every war movie. The Vietnamese and Japanese used the same kind of tactics against America and no one thinks their values are incomprehensible. The suicide bomber who tried to kill Hitler is regarded as a hero, not an insane monster who worshiped death, etc. etc.

As always, it's alien and monstrous when they do it because we have to other these human beings we're fighting.

Just looking it up...the first known suicide attacks were Jew on Jew.

"The first-century AD Jewish Sicarii sect are thought to have carried out suicidal attacks[23] against Hellenized Jews they considered immoral collaborators."

Could you use a diff word than “Jew” cmon bro wtf

It's hard to imagine a more essential Western value than sacrificing yourself to kill a bunch of people you're at war with, goes all the way back to Greek culture --which is where Persian, Jewish, and eventually Christian cultures all pick up the idea. I mean, kind of silly in general to imagine any of these cultures as being alien and incomprehensible in their values when we've been cribbing each other's notes for thousands of years.

Ever hear of a fellow called John Brown?

Americans have/had special forces suicide bombers with mini nukes strapped to their backs.

Well, as they say, verter zol men vegn un nit tseyln, but still, prolly not.

I think both sides want to be heard. Palestinians want their deaths to be seen as results of IDF terrorism and IDF wants the same.

Instead of arguing about the past, why don’t you ask bgp to clarify his current criticisms?

well I expressed to him multiple times that suicide bombing is not necessarily bad. he called such an idea morally bankrupt.

but as Trolley incisively explained it, hes wrong.

I mean it’s usually morally wrong.

Trolly proved it was a western ideal. I’m not sure he argued about morality

Perhaps not every bombing ever in history was bad, but "bombing is bad", suicide or not, is a pretty good rule of thumb.

You might be the first person to establish a morality baseline itt. Everyone else is using relative morality.

You guys are seriously defending indoctrinating young people so that they can sacrifice their lives to bomb buses in a premeditated terrorist attack. This is being done with extremely faulty logic like "It's not always bad, what if they suicide bombed Hitler during WW2?"

Those buses weren't full of Hitlers, no matter what your Tankie Twitter propaganda has told you. They were not even full of soldiers, or armed combatants. These were terrorist events.

The comparison to soldiers choosing to sacrifice themselves, during a war, to save their comrades is incommensurable. You all are not serious people.

Maybe if protesters bomb a school you'll take notice