Israel/Palestine thread
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Against the current context/backdrop, you wouldn't feel London was fine if you were the Jewish person in question
It's moot because there's no world in which I could ever be Gideon Falter, 'CEO' of an Israel lobby group. Just turning up to casually observe, naturally, as we all do at the weekend.
Perfectly normal behaviour, nothing to see, move along please.
One of many bad coppers on the beat. Londoners know better than to trust them and use them only when absolutely necessary (unless it's rich Londoners we're talking about, whose property the Mets exist to protect) and have done for as long as I can remember.
The gov officials recently handed out 1000s of ak47s to settlers so they could do pogroms.
After Oct 7th I'm amazed everyone doesn't arm up tbh. Israel had a fraction of the guns a typical red state does. That's in the past now.
At a minimum the next Oct 7th will be met with more resistance from the civilian population. in that sense living in a place like Texas must be comforting. Your whole population is a reserve force.
So you support what the settlers are doing with those weapons? Ofc you do. You support pogroms.
Israel has uprooted settlers before. If true peace was possible, they'd uproot more for sure. That is far from unsurmountable.
You're talking about the WB? Israel uprooted 10k or so settlers in 2005 and there might be 700k settlers in the WB now. I've mentioned before that I think something could be worked out because so many settlers are so close to the border, but there's no way the major settlements are moving.
But what's happening currently? Israel is repealing 2005 laws that moved settlers.
After Oct 7th I'm amazed everyone doesn't arm up tbh. Israel had a fraction of the guns a typical red state does. That's in the past now.
At a minimum the next Oct 7th will be met with more resistance from the civilian population. in that sense living in a place like Texas must be comforting. Your whole population is a reserve force.
Maybe if you armed all Palestinians they would shoot the Hamas leaders in the head while they sleep
What's happening right now is absolutely disgusting and fully supported by the Israeli government.
What's happening now are daily pogroms and displacement of an already oppressed people. 14 people murdered in Tulkarm today.
This report on the absolutely atrocious abuses by the murderous Israelis.
"Israel is a lunatic state."
Norman Finklestein explains to Glenn Greenwald.
I would not really be willing to recognize a genocidal state either. like, they just murdered proly 100k people, destroyed over 80% of the buildings, and are trying to starve the rest. they can **** right off on being "recognized." only recognition they should get is as the successors to the Nazis.
It’s pretty wild that the mods here let this unhinged nutcase spew his venomous lies.
I would not really be willing to recognize a genocidal state either. like, they just murdered proly 100k people, destroyed over 80% of the buildings, and are trying to starve the rest. they can **** right off on being "recognized." only recognition they should get is as the successors to the Nazis.
Can you imagine any of us doing something like this anywhere else?
We already increased the 30something to 50something, and in a week now we've doubled it to 100k?
How long till we're at 200k Vic?
I would not really be willing to recognize a genocidal state either. like, they just murdered proly 100k people, destroyed over 80% of the buildings, and are trying to starve the rest. they can **** right off on being "recognized." only recognition they should get is as the successors to the Nazis.
They're a genocidal state that have you penned in and completely outmatched. **** is over. Use your new international sympathy and form a state. Palestine has a lot of new allies but support will fade away with time.
Can you imagine any of us doing something like this anywhere else?
We already increased the 30something to 50something, and in a week now we've doubled it to 100k?
How long till we're at 200k Vic?
There's some array of people saying about 35k dead who have actually been counted, but also about 7k missing. Some places saying 100k are talking about wounded too.
eg https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-pa...
I think 40k dead is probably a conservative number now.
Can you imagine any of us doing something like this anywhere else?
We already increased the 30something to 50something, and in a week now we've doubled it to 100k?
How long till we're at 200k Vic?
No, I can’t.
I’ve met some super anti-Israel people, and no one comes close to this psychopath. He’s completely off the rails.
Can you imagine any of us doing something like this anywhere else?
We already increased the 30something to 50something, and in a week now we've doubled it to 100k?
How long till we're at 200k Vic?
no it likely went over 100k 2 months ago according to some Israeli media. (and I did post this when it came out ofc and ofc it got crickets. trolly proly whined about something something unverified or whatever but I dont remember)
https://www.mekomit.co.il/%d7%9e%d7%a1%d...
and as for 200k, Ralph Nader thinks we are already there! but I couldnt really find anything compelling with his methodology so I never mentioned it. https://nader.org/2024/03/05/stop-the-wo...
There's some array of people saying about 35k dead who have actually been counted, but also about 7k missing. Some places saying 100k are talking about wounded too.
eg https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-pa...
I think 40k dead is probably a conservative number now.
people dont understand the methodology of the KKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHHamas Health Ministry.
you need to take a body or body part to a hospital to get listed as dead when almost all of the hospitals are gone. all the records offices have been destroyed. people are buried alive. people are disappeared. entire families are wiped off the map so there is no one to even mention to the civil authorities that they died. furthermore, deaths from disease and starvation are not listed as Israeli murders.
Victor,
Could be. Looking at prior estimates of deaths things have been pretty wrong in both directions I think. Where is the 7000 missing number come from though? Maybe there are 50000 more missing? Maybe.
Microbets only worry is to make sure we get every single gazan casualty, but tear down the posters of the Jewish hostages!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04...
There's evidence the death numbers are inflated but let's spend time debating how micro and Victor say it's easy under counted!!
Let's ignore the fact that 13,000 are likely hamas!
Johns Hopkins and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine looked at the 30k number at the end of February and concluded that it was plausible and credible. I don't see anyone coming up with numbers lower than 30k. It's not like Hamas is saying it's 100k or 200k.
And the ministry numbers were 10k dec 7, 25k mid January, 34k today but you insist the casualties are not going down they just aren't being reported high enough now by the hamas comtrolled Gaza health ministry
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04...
There's evidence the death numbers are inflated but let's spend time debating how micro and Victor say it's easy under counted!!
Let's ignore the fact that 13,000 are likely hamas!
I don't think you should ignore people who are likely Hamas and I don't think you should ignore Israeli soldiers killed on 10/7.
