The costs of trans visibility

You are the fascist who wants to force moral systems on other people.

I didn't list a single fascist policy or idea.

Just leave us alone and be happy we are tolerant enough not to actively come after minorities which could be disliked for various reasons.

Yes I did spend like 25y of my life fighting the Catholic church as a main enemy in Italy, when it still had power. Now it is nothing so I don't fight it anymore.

Trans ideology is just another religion which wants to violently force itself upon non believers, like we had with the church for 1k+ years.

Hell ****ing no, no more religions having ANY power in society

Yeah, agreed. I hope it bites them big time at the ballot box.

My overall view is that people come into this world w/ a dream... whatever it is, we should be allowed to pursue that dream as long as it doesn't harm anyone or the planet, and it's reasonably attainable.

All of us as humans should support each other's dreams, even if we don't completely understand or agree with it. None of us knows or understand people's past, their traumas, or their blocks.

And when you don't understand or agree with someone's dream, you can either:

A) Have compassion and tolerance
or
B) Have fear and hate

My hope is that more people choose A, because option B never leads to a good.

Cool man, no1curr.

freak, you just go on and on talking about how people on the other side are saying the things they say out of hatred

all the while when i tried to have a genuine discussion with you it was ignored

i asked you why they segregated sexes in sports to begin with

The words you used, have been used by every fascist throughout time. Saying there are normal people, and then everyone who doesn't fit in that box shouldn't have rights, is fascist ideology. 100%. Same kind of language used by the Nazi's, Mussolini, etc..

The fact you're equating trans issues to a religion, pretty much sums up your ignorance and bigotry.

Do you have a rough number, on how many people have pointed out your views are quite disgusting? What do you think the over/under is on this.. and does that even slightly concern you?

Here are some human beings that have a different view of gender than you do, that don't even really affect you in any measurable way, and you're expending so much energy expressing hate and anger towards them. That's not a red flag to you?

I've already given my view on trans people in sports:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Fascists eat steaks as well that doesn't make eating steaks a fascist endeavor.

When I talk with normies on the street, in Real life and so on here in Italy I am very often the person who has to tell them that "actually some black and brown people are really good for our society" because the normies take here is to deport every non white.

Imagine what they think of gay people, then imagine what they think of trans people.

You probably have no idea how normal people are because you don't have them in your life except for the people cleaning your **** in your bathroom, which you never interact with as if they were human beings (which they are)

thanks i missed that

i hold this same exact position

which is why I'm so confused as to you also writing this

this would seem to conflict with the statement above would it not

like i get where you're coming from as there's definitely bad actors involved here, but i also think there's never going to be any progress if you just assume malice from everyone - even those who hold the same opinions as you

Everyone is identical except when you buy the home you want to live with your wife and kids, mathemagically you start caring about the ethnicity of the neighborhood you are buying in.

Upper middle class liberals have fewer non white-asian neighbors than upper middle class republicans

Anyway freak daddy I as well agree with your take on gender identity and sport, thank you for that

Btw frank daddy, if you have house help and you don't know the name of the children of your house help, please ask, set the birthday in your Google calendar, and be a ****ing human being and buy a gift

I wasn't completely direct about my point, so I can see why there's some confusion.

Conservatives seek out bigoted positions, issues that are intentionally divisive, and throw things against the wall until they can find something that sticks and matches the bigotry to a perceived injustice. They've been doing this since I've been alive.

In other words, it's not like they are looking to solve issues in society, they are instead creating issues that really don't affect society in any meaningful way, in order to leverage bigotry into votes.

Liberals actually start with real issues, things that are harming society in negative ways. They may try to leverage another emotion, or state of mind to link that issue to, and garner votes, but they don't invent new divisive issues and exploit them for votes.

Conservatives might sometimes invent problems that either don't exist or only exist for 10-20% of the people, and exaggerate them.

But sometimes they just react to leftist follies, which shouldn't have happened ever to begin with, and they just represtthe "what the **** Is going on just stop" position of normal people.

That's what "pregnant men" is about and you know that

thanks for the clarification, that i'll agree in general that there's generally more substance behind the campaigns of liberals

i still think you become just as bad when you begin to automatically dismiss anything a conservative says as i think you're mistaking the outliers as the norm

IMO, most conservatives are of the shane gillis variety - there's no real hatred or malice and they are in general just tired of political correctness going on that doesn't jive with reality

ie on the dating apps you can't filter out transwomen, you can filter out gay men, you can filter out by height, education, religion, etc, but you can't filter out transwomem despite that the presence of a penis or whether or not they could have biological children is probably a more pressing concern to most daters than whether or not they have an advanced degree or enjoy outdoor activities - things which you can filter by

i get why they don't allow you filter, they want to be kind and inclusive, but they aren't "kind and inclusive" towards short people, smokers, people who already have children, jews, etc because they accept that people have preferences

so it's not consistent with real world preferences and thus every potential match has a "how can i ask if she has a penis without insulting her now that we've matched" element to it and thus women with penises are given their own special class that's unfilterable even though everything else is

even if you don't filter it out and just match away, you can then ask in the ensuing conversation "are you a smoker" "do you have children" "do you like going outdoors" etc but you can't quite ask "are you trans?" because if they aren't then they'll be highly offended by that question and so at that point they may as well be because that'll be the end of it

Surely you can put a polite "no transgender people, please" on your profile.

The "I can't filter the trans outta my dating pool" is good stuff

"No ****ing leftist " would work as well

of course some people are going to say "why do you even care it's such a minor inconvenience"

or "look at rick freaking out at the fact that transwomen are on dating apps"

or some other cheap strawmen insult

but that's not the case at all, this is not something I'm angry about nor worked up in the slightest, nor am I putting on my detective cap with each match and trying to suss out if they have a vagina or not, i just find it inconsistent, stupid and occasionally a minor annoyance

more than anything, i think the trans dating experience would improve 10 fold if people like me could filter them out so they don't waste time on that and regularly get unmatched by men when they finally disclose it while chatting

I try my best, like I think most people do, to not be prejudice. I judge a person based on what they say, and what they do.

Unfortunately, even though I've grown up in what people in the U.S. call a more liberal county, pretty much all the conservatives I've known have very similar bigoted views. Especially about trans rights. Now, I don't think most of them would be out beating trans women, but I do think some of them would, unfortunately. That's my concern.

Both sides of my family were 95% conservative, religious, etc... all of them racists. None of them believe they are though. I've found my experience compares pretty much 100% with others who have grown up in conservative families. I'm not one to really highlight anecdotal information, but I have a big ***** family, and a lot of friends. 😀

Now as far as filters in dating apps... surely not all of them are this way, so do the capitalist thing and vote w/ your dollar! Only use and pay for the ones that do.

i knew clicking on view post would wield some nice lols from someone who doesn't have the first clue about how anything in the real world actually works

they are, if any of them did you'd certainly hear about it the news

just look at how Dr. Cass is afraid to take public transport now

My own long-running joke...

I've known a lot of racists, but I've never met one.

No racists or bigot believes they are racists or bigoted for very simple reasons. Those things are seen as bad, and nobody wants to see themselves as bad.

5 sec google searched showed OkCupid, and bumble had trans filters. I'm sure there are more, but I'm happily married so I don't know what's out there. 😀

Glad to be of service my friend... fear not!

i would disagree with this

they acknowledge they are racist

but they would disagree that it's from hatred/propaganda and instead argue the logical reasons for it citing things like safety and crime