The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by FreakDaddy P

5 sec google searched showed OkCupid, and bumble had trans filters. I'm sure there are more, but I'm happily married so I don't know what's out there. 😀

Glad to be of service my friend... fear not!

your info is bad, bumble does not have a trans filter, ok cupid was last relevant in the 90s so wouldn't know

but bumble 100% does not have a trans filter, there's a non-binary filter but that doesn't filter out trans who identify as women, only people trans or not, who chose non-binary


by rickroll P

i would disagree with this

they acknowledge they are racist

but they would disagree that it's from hatred/propaganda and instead argue the logical reasons for it citing things like safety and crime

So "middle America" reasoning? Race doesn't make you more violent or criminal... poverty can though. Do your peeps know this? 😉

As far as dating apps... like I said, I've been happily married for over 10 years. This was straight off bumble's website. Maybe they changed it.

https://bumble.com/en-us/the-buzz/bumble...


by rickroll P

more than anything, i think the trans dating experience would improve 10 fold if people like me could filter them out so they don't waste time on that and regularly get unmatched by men when they finally disclose it while chatting

It looks like bumble has a feature where anyone can say if they are a trans or cis person (among other options) and whether to display that or not. So if seems like that solves this precise issue of not disclosing it until chatting entirely. https://bumble.com/en-ca/the-buzz/bumble...

edit: beaten to the punch by freakdaddy.


by uke_master P

It looks like bumble has a feature where anyone can say if they are a trans or cis person (among other options) and whether to display that or not. So if seems like that solves this precise issue of not disclosing it until chatting entirely. https://bumble.com/en-ca/the-buzz/bumble...

edit: beaten to the punch by freakdaddy.

This seems reasonable imo. A discrete way for people to avoid people hooking up with people they might not be comfortable or interested in dating.


by FreakDaddy P

So "middle America" reasoning? Race doesn't make you more violent or criminal... poverty can though. Do your peeps know this? 😉

As far as dating apps... like I said, I've been happily married for over 10 years. This was straight off bumble's website. Maybe they changed it.

https://bumble.com/en-us/the-buzz/bumble...

no they don't, this is the entire process

pick an option


ok done, no further categories



what you quoted allows people to state their own gender and specify if it's cisgender woman or transwoman, but they still all get lumped into the "woman" category and those filtering for them can't go that extra mile

you can choose to say you are trans but even if they do, you can't use that for filtering

that article is about self identification, not filtering partners



by rickroll P

no they don't, this is the entire process


what you quoted allows people to state their own gender and specify if it's cisgender woman or transwoman, but they still all get lumped into the "woman" category and those filtering for them can't go that extra mile

you can choose to say you are trans but even if they do, you can't use that for filtering

that article is about self identification, not filtering partners


Read further down homie...

You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.


If you’re an existing member on Bumble Date, hit the gray hive logo at the bottom of your screen, and then select the filters button on the top right of the screen. The filters page will come up, and there you’ll be able to select the gender identities that you’re interested in seeing. Gender identities, sexual orientations, and filter preferences can be changed at any time, as many times as you’d like.


If it's not working like this, contact their support. That's the beginning and end of my humble dating app support.


by FreakDaddy P

I think the best question here is... why do you care?

How does this affect your life on a personal level if women want to identify as men and vice versa?

How someone identifies doesn't affect anyone else. How society and institutions treat that person affects many people.


by FreakDaddy P

You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.

bro, this is exactly what i said is the case

i don't think you're spending much time reading nor even bothering to understand my posts and rather just trying to refute it


by uke_master P

It looks like bumble has a feature where anyone can say if they are a trans or cis person (among other options) and whether to display that or not. So if seems like that solves this precise issue of not disclosing it until chatting entirely. https://bumble.com/en-ca/the-buzz/bumble...

edit: beaten to the punch by freakdaddy.

even the use of the horrid "cis" to say "normal" is something I fully disagree with.

it's the 99 which doesn't need a label and the 1% weird people.

the **** i Will ever accept a label for the 99, as if it's normal to he either x or y.

we don't have a label for people with 5 fingers in the hand, we don't need a "cis" Marxist label for everyone who is normal


by Luciom P

Man and woman are legal categories with legal implications, it is much worse than a religion where you can believe your totem spirit is a wolf, and no one else in society outside of your religion ever has to give a **** nor it ever produces any legal effect.

It's a religion that wants to force society to legalize it's theological claims and use state violence to enforce them on every resident of every country.

So it's the worst possible kind

Unfortunately, at least in the US, belonging to a cult (AKA religion) does have legal consequences. Churches are exempt from taxes and individuals are exempt from some laws just because they claim membership in a cult. It's truly ridiculous and I don't know how most people, and I guess the courts, seem to think it's ok.


by chillrob P

Unfortunately, at least in the US, belonging to a cult (AKA religion) does have legal consequences. Churches are exempt from taxes and individuals are exempt from some laws just because they claim membership in a cult. It's truly ridiculous and I don't know how most people, and I guess the courts, seem to think it's ok.

not all of them, some are refused the status.


by FreakDaddy P

My own long-running joke...

I've known a lot of racists, but I've never met one.

No racists or bigot believes they are racists or bigoted for very simple reasons. Those things are seen as bad, and nobody wants to see themselves as bad.

Actually a good number of liberals believe that they are racists and self-flagellate about it. They also worry that their babies are racist.


by FreakDaddy P

My own long-running joke...

I've known a lot of racists, but I've never met one.

No racists or bigot believes they are racists or bigoted for very simple reasons. Those things are seen as bad, and nobody wants to see themselves as bad.

those things are seen as bad by your lot, you define them, and normal definitions never encompass those people, but under your radical leftist definition they are all racists.

and no one among them give a **** that your lot consider them racists, it's actually a medal


by FreakDaddy P

Read further down homie...

You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.


If you’re an existing member on Bumble Date, hit the gray hive logo at the bottom of your screen, and then select the fi

You guys either are totally clueless or being deliberately argumentative.

I just opened Bumble, and there is definitely no way to filter anything having to do with trans, even in the advanced filters.

The Bolded part above is absolutely correct. You may notice that the word "trans" is nowhere to be found.

You can only select your looking for "women" which includes cis and trans women.


by chillrob P

Actually a good number of liberals believe that they are racists and self-flagellate about it. They also worry that their babies are racist.

don't worry too much, liberals are self selecting themselves outside of the gene pool because having children emits CO2 so if they ever believe anything about their hellish culture, they won't have any


by Luciom P

not all of them, some are refused the status.

True, but that's even worse. The government is deciding which religions are "real".


by chillrob P

True, but that's even worse. The government is deciding which religions are "real".

I am an atheist but I understand that when your country is literally built by religious freaks fleeing from persecution, like the USA is, you will have special provisions for actual religions. it makes sense.


by chillrob P

You guys either are totally clueless or being deliberately argumentative.

I just opened Bumble, and there is definitely no way to filter anything having to do with trans, even in the advanced filters.

The Bolded part above is absolutely correct. You may notice that the word "trans" is nowhere to be found.

You can only select your looking for "women" which includes cis and trans women.

for freaking daddy, if you want to select your sexual partner on their actual genitalia, you are a monster. for every normal human being he is the monster.

when normal human beings elect a normal human being who rules that genitalia matters, after freak daddy freaks want to force you to have sex with "women with penises", that's fascism


by rickroll P

no they don't, this is the entire process

pick an option


ok done, no further categories



what you quoted allows people to state their own gender and specify if it's cisgender woman or transwoman, but they still all get lumped into the "woman" category and those filtering for them can't go that extra mile

you can choose to say you are trans but even if they do, you can't use that for filtering

that article is about self identification, not filt

The control is in the hands of trans people here. The app makes it easy to say you are cis or trans, and to display that choice publicly. You previously said this was bad for trans people because it wasn’t until conversation that it became apparent they were trans, but this is false. This actually seems pretty well designed! They aren’t forced to out themselves immediately, but they can choose to if they wish. Heck, if you are really worried by the idea of a conversation with a trans woman who is not initially comfortable sharing their identity and “wastes” your time, you can always put your interests in your own profile.


by uke_master P

The control is in the hands of trans people here. The app makes it easy to say you are cis or trans, and to display that choice publicly. You previously said this was bad for trans people because it wasn’t until conversation that it became apparent they were trans, but this is false. This actually seems pretty well designed! They aren’t forced to out themselves immediately, but they can choose to if they wish. Heck, if you are really worrie

uke not being able to simply click "I don't ****ing want people with dicks, don't even dare to show them to me" is monstrous and everyone who isn't a radical commie knows that.

indefensible, disgusting, morally broken, the hell you guys want for us.


by chillrob P

You guys either are totally clueless or being deliberately argumentative.

I just opened Bumble, and there is definitely no way to filter anything having to do with trans, even in the advanced filters.

The Bolded part above is absolutely correct. You may notice that the word "trans" is nowhere to be found.

You can only select your looking for "women" which includes cis and trans women.

not to mention that was a post which quoted my screenshots of the app where it showed the choice of men/women/non-binary and deliberately pointed out that nowhere did this include trans and that by choosing women i'd be missing out on the women who selected non-binary as well as getting all the trans who selected women

he wasn't even reading the post, he's so convinced that it couldn't be that absurd that he believes we must be mistaken even when we take the time to explain where his misunderstanding came from

which is understandable, because it is unfathomably absurd


by uke_master P

The control is in the hands of trans people here. The app makes it easy to say you are cis or trans, and to display that choice publicly. You previously said this was bad for trans people because it wasn’t until conversation that it became apparent they were trans, but this is false. This actually seems pretty well designed! They aren’t forced to out themselves immediately, but they can choose to if they wish. Heck, if you are r

no it's not

you're larping about something you fundamentally don't understand how it works because it needs to fit your ideological framework, and the fact that you earlier had another position and once that was proven incorrect you immediately goal post shift like this in a new imagined reality instead

and thanks for the personal attack at the end implying that i was clearly worried about having a conversation with a trans person, was beginning to think you decided to stop being a scum sucking douchebag for a minute


by chillrob P

Actually a good number of liberals believe that they are racists and self-flagellate about it. They also worry that their babies are racist.

Even if that's true, I'll take the over on that vs. hate against people of different races and cultures.


by chillrob P

You guys either are totally clueless or being deliberately argumentative.

I just opened Bumble, and there is definitely no way to filter anything having to do with trans, even in the advanced filters.

The Bolded part above is absolutely correct. You may notice that the word "trans" is nowhere to be found.

You can only select your looking for "women" which includes cis and trans women.

... or I'm just cutting and pasting from the bumble website.


actually uke, you know what, if you can say that my mentioning of being unable to filter out trans woman from a prospective dating pool is due to being worried about the idea of a conversation with a trans woman then I guess it's perfectly fine for me to talk about if you post about wanting to sleep with men and trans woman but can't because you're married then I can say it must be because you are living in a sham marriage

same logic, no difference, just playing by the rules you laid down


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