Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


[QUOTE=Crossnerd]Edit: RULES FOR THIS THREAD

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by Bill Haywood P

I pay for your tawdry genocidal massacre so I'll keep complaining.

I don't believe you can call this my genocidal massacre? I've done nothing of the sort. I'll report this and see where it lands (just so I know what's fair). But this seems outside of the spirit of the new rules to promote more harmony and dialogue in here.


by rafiki P

It is a good thing that less women and children in Gaza have died. I am happy that less women and children have died than we thought. This is news the world benefits from as a whole.


Why dont you ever talk about unplugging babies from incubators?


wtf is that? how do you justify that? you cant.


by rafiki P

I was thinking he understands racism pretty well actually. At least so far. And to do so without pay is the most impressive part. He volunteers for this.

She


by metsandfinsfan P

She

Yeah we get there eventually lol. Catch up.


by rafiki P

Washoe are there women in Hamas? Where did we finish off there? I value your opinion (once you base it on something).


of course there are women in hamas.

the problem that you have is that women in gaza do whatever the men tell them to do. which included suicide bombings btw.
doesnt mean they are guilty. they have no say whatsoever.


by washoe P

Why dont you ever talk about unplugging babies from incubators?


wtf is that? how do you justify that? you cant.

If you lead a baby/incubator conversation I'll participate in it after some errands. I'm hoping it's a little more robust than the female Hamas discussion. That was a little light on substance.


by corpus vile P

Palestinians aren't "brown people", they're diverse, ethnically.
Lots of groups consisting of "white people" have been labelled as terrorists- IRA ETA Red Brigade OAS, FARC etc so it isn't racist, not in general or within the context of this thread discussion.

Modern textbooks list Israel as the occupying white state and Palestinians as brown people

Pw says he can tell any Palestinian apart from an Israeli because Israelis are white and Palestinians are not in his opinion


by metsandfinsfan P

I haven't been out of like bin quoted what Victor said. Victor's post you deleted for being unacceptable. I was told i shouldn't have editorilized on it. Your concluding is in was out of line?

Amazing

my post was not deleted. its still there.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

my flippant response to your mischaracterization was deleted although ofc I stand by it.


by washoe P

of course there are women in hamas.



Washoe do you share your account with someone else? Note I respect both your opinions. I'm just trying to figure out which one I talk to now.


by rafiki P

Nobody disagrees with that either.

That's a well armed well trained terrorist group that is trained and organized just like a little army. There is very little quit in them. The guys on the other side of this respect their abilities.

Cognitive dissonance and all, so I'm not saying anyone is lying, but it makes sense for Israel to portray Hamas as more powerful than they actually are and it also makes sense for people supporting the resistance to do that as well. The number of Israelis killed since the early days of the invasion is relatively very very low.


Clean up the editorializing of one another’s intentions and try to stay on topic or this thread will be paused again for us to all reflect. Thank youuu


by jalfrezi P

No time to do a celebration dance though, try as hard as you might.

It's a disgusting and unnecessary loss of life.

Agree. The fact that hamas hasn't surrendered and is the cause of this is disgusting


by washoe P

they do headshots now.

a doctor from germany who was helping with a team from germany in a gazan hospital reports
they had nothing as medical supplies. many limbs could have been saved, but they didnt have the right tools and meds, so they just had to amputate.


that is horrific. that is all on isreal.

ya and they use drones for a lot of those headshots.

bc a lot of Israeli snipers have gotten the red triangle treatment lately bc they love standing by windows in a war zone.


by Crossnerd P

Clean up the editorializing of one another’s intentions and try to stay on topic or this thread will be paused again for us to all reflect. Thank youuu

Thanks for keeping the peace yo! I expect it'll get easier soon.


by microbet P

Cognitive dissonance and all, so I'm not saying anyone is lying, but it makes sense for Israel to portray Hamas as more powerful than they actually are and it also makes sense for people supporting the resistance to do that as well. The number of Israelis killed since the early days of the invasion is relatively very very low.

the number reported by Israel is low. but we know they dont report all of their casualties and deaths to the media. the Resistance posts videos all the time that do not correspond with the reports.


by Victor P

the number reported by Israel is low. but we know they dont report all of their casualties and deaths to the media. the Resistance posts videos all the time that do not correspond with the reports.

Although I don't agree with some of this post, I agree about how powerful Hamas is. They are not to be taken lightly at all. As terrorists go, they are among the most dangerous and effective in the world. Israel is right to mobilize as many as they have to handle an opponent this well trained.


Israel claims they've defeated 20 out of 24 battalions

How many hamas are in each battalion? No idea


by washoe P

Why dont you ever talk about unplugging babies from incubators?


wtf is that? how do you justify that? you cant.


That didn't happen. Unless you are referring to when hamas was hoarding fuel in the tunnels and ax hospital had to .. but it's still not something the idf did


man the algorithm is too good



I think it's extremely unlikely that there are a significant number of Israeli soldiers who have been killed where it's not publicly known and publicized.


by metsandfinsfan P

That didn't happen. Unless you are referring to when hamas was hoarding fuel in the tunnels and ax hospital had to .. but it's still not something the idf did

the idf removed power from every hospital in gaza, effectively killing every baby in an incubator. and any other patients.


by metsandfinsfan P

That didn't happen. Unless you are referring to when hamas was hoarding fuel in the tunnels and ax hospital had to .. but it's still not something the idf did

@crossnerd, do you see how annoying this is? like I dont want him banned or anything and I actually dont think he is lying, but the incubator story is well known. now you want me to spend the 10 or 15 minutes finding all of the mainstream cites to show he is wrong? and then in a few months he will be back in here saying the same thing. isnt easier just to call him some names and move on?


by washoe P

the idf removed power from every hospital in gaza, effectively killing every baby in an incubator.

The disagreement illustrates how these discussions often end up focusing on something like "did these soldiers grab babies and throw them out of their incubators"? Which would be dramatic and horrible. But, what actually happened is power is turned off, access to clean water turned off, bombs just flying everywhere directed by AI - and lots of babies die horrible deaths.


by microbet P

The disagreement illustrates how these discussions often end up focusing on something like "did these soldiers grab babies and throw them out of their incubators"? Which would be dramatic and horrible. But, what actually happened is power is turned off, access to clean water turned off, bombs just flying everywhere directed by AI - and lots of babies die horrible deaths.

you are massively whitewashing what actually happened.


by Victor P

@crossnerd, now you want me to spend the 10 or 15 minutes finding all of the mainstream cites to show he is wrong?

Yes, if you want to disprove the claim.

isnt easier just to call him some names and move on?

No, because then you have to have a timeout and snacks


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