Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Hi friend, so just to clarify something, every rule applies to every poster, as does the expectation that posters treat one another with a reasonable level of respect and personal dignity.
There is no one above or beneath the rules of decorum. Everyone here is a person who deserves to be treated like a unique and valuable member of this community.
I intend to moderate with the same guidelines of respect, dignity, and fairness.
it is not fair to treat the people the same if one side is lying/being deceitful and other side is not. Unfortunately I do not think it will be possible for you to give respect and be fair to both sides
Hi friend, so just to clarify something, every rule applies to every poster, as does the expectation that posters treat one another with a reasonable level of respect and personal dignity.
There is no one above or beneath the rules of decorum. Everyone here is a person who deserves to be treated like a unique and valuable member of this community.
I intend to moderate with the same guidelines of respect, dignity, and fairness.
Oh geeze, was I not supposed to tell jbouton about the special rules about him? My bad. Jbouton, there aren't any special rules about responding to your posts.
You know what we haven't had in a good long while? A nice long post about the genius of John Nash! It just feels like people don't appreciate him as much as they should. Don't you agree? 😀
PW, I really don’t have the ability to moderate thought crimes. I only have the power to moderate things people actually post.
DonkJr, if you’re posting purely to harass another poster, then you need to stop now please as that isn’t allowed. Thanks, friend.
DonkJr, if you’re posting purely to harass another poster, then you need to stop now please as that isn’t allowed. Thanks, friend.
Harass another user? The only person that should feel harassed here is ME. Here I am showing my appreciation for another poster, one that has been attacked by mods all day long, and you accuse me of harassment? I really wish you had put your wrong-hearted accusation in spoiler tags and warned me ahead of time that you were intending on hurting my feelings. Maybe that wasn't your intent at all, and I hope and pray that you can see my intent was not to harass jbouton, who is at least making this sub forum interesting again.
Your friend,
DonkJr
Harass another user? The only person that should feel harassed here is ME. Here I am showing my appreciation for another poster, one that has been attacked by mods all day long, and you accuse me of harassment? I really wish you had put your wrong-hearted accusation in spoiler tags and warned me ahead of time that you were intending on hurting my feelings. Maybe that wasn't your intent at all, and I hope and pray that you can see my intent
Bouton is very clearly going through some things; you should really give it a rest and practice a bit of empathy.
Donk, that's enough.
are you talking about yourself?
I agree, it does seem very jackassey to make up rules that arent rules and then ask people to follow the non rules
Unreal. If someone asked you to stop shouting in the grocery store, would you refuse unless that person was able to show you that the grocery store had taken the time to adopt a "no shouting" rule.
Unreal. If someone asked you to stop shouting in the grocery store, would you refuse unless that person was able to show you that the grocery store had taken the time to adopt a "no shouting" rule.
private businesses have their own set of rules. you're not in charge of making the rules here, are you?
Unreal. If someone asked you to stop shouting in the grocery store, would you refuse unless that person was able to show you that the grocery store had taken the time to adopt a "no shouting" rule.
I would keep shouting if I had a reason to shout and it wasn't explicitly forbidden yes.
Why wouldn't I?
Maybe you have issues with why the person is shouting
are you talking about yourself?
I agree, it does seem very jackassey to make up rules that arent rules and then ask people to follow the non rules
This is what a simple request not to continue discussing a banned poster turns into. LOL @ you.
Unreal. If someone asked you to stop shouting in the grocery store, would you refuse unless that person was able to show you that the grocery store had taken the time to adopt a "no shouting" rule.
private businesses have their own set of rules. you're not in charge of making the rules here, are you?
Was the question that difficult to answer?
Bouton is very clearly going through some things; you should really give it a rest and practice a bit of empathy.
Possibly, but its very likely that the challenges he may be facing is directly correlated to social media, seeking attention through posting and his inability to stop. We all have that to a degree but mods have taken a comical approach of civility in assisting with his grievances and it only lead to a greater shitstorm.
Maybe letting the poster know that this place me not be best for him may be a better option rather than asking every other poster to be on their best behavior when it's overwhelmingly likely to make things worse for him and others.
... But I agree that smart ass comments aren't helpful either and I personally won't be doing that moving forward.
Why don't you just have a discussion with the mod that made the request and explain why you think that discussion should continue, rather than wasting everyone's time with this "is it in the rules?" nonsense?
And apparently the grocery store question was too difficult for you to answer.
Please read the title of the thread you are posting in
as far as why I dont ask a biased poster a question about whether the rules apply to themselves or not? the answer is because I want as unbiased of an answer as possible
As I've said before, the screen name is well chosen. I'm out.
Hi friend, so just to clarify something, every rule applies to every poster, as does the expectation that posters treat one another with a reasonable level of respect and personal dignity.
There is no one above or beneath the rules of decorum. Everyone here is a person who deserves to be treated like a unique and valuable member of this community.
I intend to moderate with the same guidelines of respect, dignity, and fairness.
Actually, respect is earned. I don't see why there is a rule, or expectation, that any poster should be treated with respect by any other poster. Also, whether any given poster is either unique or valuable is very much a matter of opinion.
The respect I am referring to is the respect for one's fellow man's basic humanity, which is never required to be earned by the recipient but rather is an ethical cornerstone for any moral participant in a society with others.
And the every person is a unique and valued member of the community thing is just, like, my opinion, not a rule obviously. You can blame John Donne for polluting my mind. The most well adjusted participants in any communal space are the people who feel seen and feel heard, that their feelings matter and that they matter. If everyone felt that way, there would be far less conflict imho.
And the every person is a unique and valued member of the community thing is just, like, my opinion, not a rule obviously. You can blame John Donne for polluting my mind. The most well adjusted participants in any communal space are the people who feel seen and feel heard, that their feelings matter and that they matter. If everyone felt that way, there would be far less conflict imho.
I honestly think you are meaning well, but there is very obviously going to be disagreement in a politics forum. When disagreement is considered harassment or "stigmatizing mental health", then you are going way too far in your quest to be the niceness enforcer of the forum. I personally doubt that anybody posting in these forums (besides the now banned Lirva) would appreciate being branded by mods as having mental issues, so I really don't think you are doing anybody any favors in your quest of being extra nice. That's just my POV on it.
I find it odd that any mod would have the patience to deal with a poster who continuously and repeatedly complains about being treated unfairly when he clearly isn't, is incapable of formulating his thoughts in a coherent manner to communicate with other posters, and routinely ignores everything he is told by mods and others so he can repeat his baseless complaints ad nauseam, but if Crossnerd wants to do it, more power to her.
And the every person is a unique and valued member of the community thing is just, like, my opinion, not a rule obviously. You can blame John Donne for polluting my mind. The most well adjusted participants in any communal space are the people who feel seen and feel heard, that their feelings matter and that they matter. If everyone felt that way, there would be far less conflict imho.
"Far less conflict" = "far more boring".
