President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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by Luciom P

No matter what you think should have been done for COVID, in the USA that is NOT A MATTER FOR THE PRESIDENT.

Say you want lockdowns (or say you hate them): it's a state matter. POTUS never had the power to lockdown, or to block states from locking down.

Quite incredible to read COVID management as an issue of the presidency. Has anyone read the constitution?

Who do you think should have handled things? There were a lot of things apart from lockdowns.

No one in the federal government should have done anything? It certainly seems to me that agencies like the CDC should have been involved.

A good part of the role of US president has come to be national leadership in ways not specifically enumerated by the constitution. It's still reasonable to expect some of that from presidents.


by mongidig P

That was bad stuff for sure. It feels dirty voting for Trump but I'm looking more at the future. There is simply no way Biden can continue as President. Both of my parents had dementia. Things go down hill fast.

I'm more worried about the future with Trump continuing as president after the end of his elected term.

Both guys clearly rely on others more than most presidents have, which I think is a good thing. Unfortunately this next time the sane Trump advisors probably won't be in the building.


by chillrob P

How exactly do you think he could have shut down the movement?

Bring in the National guards and use overwhelming force to quickly clear the camps. Detain as many of these people as possible and vet their reasons for being in the country as well as current status. Deport those who either don't belong here or don't swear allegiance to the country. Pass on the names of these individuals to Mossad. Look into possible future restrictions of certain people into this country.

They are finally waking up in Europe and taking action. It's becoming apparent we need to do the same here. I believe Donald J Trump is just the man for the job.


Did you read about what happened when Nixon tried that? It didn't exactly have the desired result.

I don't know who you are referring to regarding deportation. It's my understanding that most of these people were native-born students at fancy colleges.


by chillrob P

I'm more worried about the future with Trump continuing as president after the end of his elected term.

Both guys clearly rely on others more than most presidents have, which I think is a good thing. Unfortunately this next time the sane Trump advisors probably won't be in the building.

Both choices are horrific. I'm moving back to the right again after all the nonsense going on in this country. I'm not a fan of the direction of morality in this country.


by mongidig P

Bring in the National guards and use overwhelming force to quickly clear the camps. Detain as many of these people as possible and vet their reasons for being in the country as well as current status. Deport those who either don't belong here or don't swear allegiance to the country. Pass on the names of these individuals to Mossad. Look into possible future restrictions of certain people into this country.

They are finally waking up in Eur

finally someone makes sense around here


by mongidig P

My complaint about Trump is that he clearly lacked leadership during the pandemic. He had an opportunity to bring the country together against a common enemy and did the exact opposite. It's obvious that everything he did was based on how it would impact the election. I have many more complaints but I won't derail this thread.

no he didn't because democrats and republicans had totally different ways to tackle that enemy. One part of the country puts freedom over safety, the other viceversa. How do you unite people who have completly different value prioritities and are willing to act on them?

Real patriots are willing to die for freedom, because life has no value absent freedom; cowards are willing to imprison innocents to try to survive, How do you unite those?

He spearheaded vaccine research with an ingenious plan (which costed very little), which included some cash and a lot of deregulation , proving btw deregulation saves lives (and regulation kills people), it's hard to ask more from POTUS


by mongidig P

Bring in the National guards and use overwhelming force to quickly clear the camps. Detain as many of these people as possible and vet their reasons for being in the country as well as current status. Deport those who either don't belong here or don't swear allegiance to the country. Pass on the names of these individuals to Mossad. Look into possible future restrictions of certain people into this country.

They are finally waking up in Eur

The president of El Salvador did that with the gangs and took El Salvador from one leading countries in deaths to one of the least and won a overwhelming victory in the election.


CNN gives Biden at 70% of the black vote (lowest in many decades for a democrat).

https://x.com/DailyCaller/status/1802681...

That effects is a lot bigger among under50 black voters, while over50 black voters are still overwhelmingly favouring Biden over all other candidates.

Biden only at +37 among blacks under 50 vs trump.

They don't give the men/women breakdowns but we can assume (as for every other voting group) that men are relatively more likely to vote Trump and viceversa.

It's possible that Trump is going to get the most votes among working age black men of any republican candidate since like ever.

Assuming that happens, it will be amusing to point that out to leftist people calling trump voters "stupid"


by Luciom P

CNN gives Biden at 70% of the black vote (lowest in many decades for a democrat).

https://x.com/DailyCaller/status/1802681...

That effects is a lot bigger among under50 black voters, while over50 black voters are still overwhelmingly favouring Biden over all other candidates.

Biden only at +37 among blacks under 50 vs trump.

They don't give the men/women breakdowns but we can assume (as for every other voting group) that men are relat

You ain't black unless you vote for Biden



Huge if true.


by Luciom P

Assuming that happens, it will be amusing to point that out to leftist people calling trump voters "stupid"

Did you know that at least once black person voted for Trump last election, so there's not really any gotcha here.


by Luciom P

CNN gives Biden at 70% of the black vote (lowest in many decades for a democrat).

https://x.com/DailyCaller/status/1802681...

That effects is a lot bigger among under50 black voters, while over50 black voters are still overwhelmingly favouring Biden over all other candidates.

Biden only at +37 among blacks under 50 vs trump.

They don't give the men/women breakdowns but we can assume (as for every other voting group) that men are relat

What does your last paragraph have to do with the rest?


by Luciom P

no he didn't because democrats and republicans had totally different ways to tackle that enemy. One part of the country puts freedom over safety, the other viceversa. How do you unite people who have completly different value prioritities and are willing to act on them?

Real patriots are willing to die for freedom, because life has no value absent freedom; cowards are willing to imprison innocents to try to survive, How do you unite those?

He

One part of the country followed Trump as if he was a cult leader. Trump pandered to his useful idiots and put the whole country at risk. I've argued that it is because of these idiots that we had to have all the shutdowns.

Regarding the vaccine roll out. Any President would have done the same thing. This idiot decided to call it "Operation warp speed" which made people even more skeptical of getting vaccinated.

I'm starting to wonder if I dislike creepy liberals or MAGA more.


by chillrob P

What does your last paragraph have to do with the rest?

They are happy to call trump voters stupid because they are "white trash" according to them and that's a group of people they can hate.

The same doesn't work if there a lot of minorities voting for Trump.


by mongidig P

One part of the country followed Trump as if he was a cult leader. Trump pandered to his useful idiots and put the whole country at risk. I've argued that it is because of these idiots that we had to have all the shutdowns.

Regarding the vaccine roll out. Any President would have done the same thing. This idiot decided to call it "Operation warp speed" which made people even more skeptical of getting vaccinated.

I'm starting to wonder if I

Welll you have argued completly wrong because where the "idiots" were plentiful republicans governed and the lockdowns were short and not as disastrous as where democrats governed.

Your claim is that schools in democratic areas closed longer than almost anywhere else in the world because people in republican areas far away didn't give a **** about covid... it is as absurd as it sounds.


by ganstaman P

Did you know that at least once black person voted for Trump last election, so there's not really any gotcha here.

Surely the same if it's at average or under average historical norms, of the highest ever for a republican candidate.


by Luciom P

They are happy to call trump voters stupid because they are "white trash" according to them and that's a group of people they can hate.

The same doesn't work if there a lot of minorities voting for Trump.

I'll still call them stupid regardless of race.


Biden freezes on stage again at the fundraiser this weekend Obama had to come to the rescue

What if he freezes on stage at the debate?


by Luciom P

They are happy to call trump voters stupid because they are "white trash" according to them and that's a group of people they can hate.

The same doesn't work if there a lot of minorities voting for Trump.

by chillrob P

I'll still call them stupid regardless of race.

yeah, this.. there are only 3 reasons to vote Trump: you're wealthy, you're bigoted, or you're uninformed/ignorant. that's his entire demographic.


by lozen P

Biden freezes on stage again at the fundraiser this weekend Obama had to come to the rescue

What if he freezes on stage at the debate?

a steady diet of right wing news makes lozen a dull boy.


by Luciom P

They are happy to call trump voters stupid because they are "white trash" according to them and that's a group of people they can hate.

Objection! Stated without evidence.


by lozen P

Biden freezes on stage again at the fundraiser this weekend Obama had to come to the rescue

What if he freezes on stage at the debate?

He would still be a better choice.


by Didace P

Objection! Stated without evidence.

evidence they called them white trash


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“White Trash: The 400 Year Untold Story of Class In America,” by Nancy Isenberg, does a far better job of explaining the Trump phenomenon and why some voters — particularly white Southern ones — vote for a wealthy New Yorker who seemingly shares none of their challenges or interests.

https://tennesseelookout.com/2020/10/31/...


The White Trash Theory of Donald Trump
Nancy Isenberg's new book tells the story of a large and forgotten class of “waste people.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/134875/w...

Why ‘white trash’ Americans are flocking to Donald Trump

https://nypost.com/2016/07/30/why-white-...

Some people on the left are even warning others that insisting with the white trash meme isn't going to help (this is 8 years later, today, though)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...


by biggerboat P

He would still be a better choice.

The founder of the modern conservative movement literally had Alzheimer’s while in office. Didn’t really have any impact on his performance. The country is set up to handle this type of stuff much better than Trump trying to fire FBI directors for investigating his friends, bribing foreign leaders to start sham investigations against US citizens to help his campaign, secretly calling election officials and requesting them to rig an election in his favor etc.


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