2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
If Biden withdraws and it isn't some open nomination process, but instead Harris being elevated, then the great state of Ohio could be smiling big time as I see the chance of the Dems filling Harris' VP spot with Sherrod Brown to keep Ohio in play and counter Trump's choice of JD Vance from Ohio.
JD Vance’s foreign policy ideas are Putin and Orban’s dream come true
the plan to push America into a new and profoundly isolationist direction
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opin...
JD Vance’s revisionist history about who launched America’s failed wars
it was Republican lawmakers
And Republican voters — most of whom have since become MAGA supporters
But if you listened to Vance’s speech, and watched the reactions of the GOP delegates in the crowd in Milwaukee,
you’d never know that it was Republican politicians and voters who pushed America into two long, disastrous wars.
The thing is since when do you remove a nominee because he's behind and/or obvious to lose? There have been a lot of nominees who figured to get landslided and did, and there wasn't any talk of removing. So it has to be medical, I think. That 25th amendment thing. Seems they should drop all talk of the polls, "You're behind in the polls so we are defuncting that whole primary and delegate process" isn't a thing, is it? "Your health, your health, you're health, Joe. Take a bow and get out."
the problem with that is he can say well i feel fine and my doctors tell me i'm fine so **** off
I dont know what your definition of capitalist is. But it is hard to imagine they aren't. Is someone who owns a landscaping business, a $2 million primary residence in a suburb and a couple other rental properties in the city, squeezes out every deduction they can on their taxes, and is socially liberal and always votes Democrat a capitalist?
Newsome has a lot going against him because a lot of people think California is a dumpster because its been targeted heavily by msm propaganda. I think it would be hard for him to overcome the image of free looting in downtown San Francisco or the wild propaganda about the anti-discrimination bill they just passed
I have heard him talk some, although less than you would think given he is the governor of the state I live in, and I follow politics. He isn't very charismatic and doesn't come off very genuine when he speaks and isn't good at speaking extemporaneously. And his handlers are well aware of this and keep him out of the spotlight, except for pictures (he is obviously photogenic).
Like I said, I think they quietly test ran him a few months ago when he was doing the public spat with DeSantis and hosted Xi during a summit; and the consensus is he wouldn't have any better chance of getting elected than Harris, who has much less personal baggage and the political baggage above.
Now if you think he would be a fine President, that is a completely different issue. Who would be a good president and who would get elected are obviously 2 very different things.
I dont know what your definition of capitalist is. But it is hard to imagine they aren't. Is someone who owns a landscaping business, a $2 million primary residence in a suburb and a couple other rental properties in the city, squeezes out every deduction they can on their taxes, and is socially liberal and always votes Democrat a capitalist?
I was really curious here as well.
If joe wont budge can the party do anything to get someone else in? I don't know the mechanics.
The thing is since when do you remove a nominee because he's behind and/or obvious to lose? There have been a lot of nominees who figured to get landslided and did, and there wasn't any talk of removing. So it has to be medical, I think. That 25th amendment thing. Seems they should drop all talk of the polls, "You're behind in the polls so we are defuncting that whole primary and delegate process" isn't a thing, is it? "Your health, your he
Yeah I don’t get this part either. Candidates aren’t expected to drop out because they “can’t win”. McCain, Romney and Trump 2020 were in worse or just as bad positions as Biden. The top of the ticket is supposed to do their best and limit damage downstream. What people really mean is Biden can’t win but someone else would be a solid favorite. But the evidence is not great for that imo as a neutral party….much less to the Biden camp which has a strong reason to deny it.
If biden did drop out the ticket should be something like Newsom/Whitmer. I don’t understand anyone thinking harris is the obvious choice. Biden has had remarkable unfavorability even before the debate, why is the vice president of this administration anywhere near the ticket with the built in toxicity towards the biden admin?
The party is like 70% non white men. I don’t think you can pass up a black women with another white dude. Biden did so well with older black voters because he was willing to be subservient to a much younger black man. Republicans unwittingly helped him also as there was no secret Biden is really in charge conspiracies during the Obama administration as it was much scarier to uneducated hicks to pretend Obama was a Muslim terrorist etc.
Yeah I don’t get this part either. Candidates aren’t expected to drop out because they “can’t win”. McCain, Romney and Trump 2020 were in worse or just as bad positions as Biden. The top of the ticket is supposed to do their best and limit damage downstream. What people really mean is Biden can’t win but someone else would be a solid favorite. But the evidence is not great for that imo as a neutral party….much less to the Biden camp which
The mistake is thinking there is precedent for literally anything we’re dealing with now. No election in American history can be cross referenced with what’s happening this year
If biden did drop out the ticket should be something like Newsom/Whitmer. I don’t understand anyone thinking harris is the obvious choice. Biden has had remarkable unfavorability even before the debate, why is the vice president of this administration anywhere near the ticket with the built in toxicity towards the biden admin?
Kinda goes against their DEI narrative to go against a black woman, who is next in line for the presidency, and choose a white man instead.
The party is like 70% non white men. I don’t think you can pass up a black women with another white dude. Biden did so well with older black voters because he was willing to be subservient to a much younger black man. Republicans unwittingly helped him also as there was no secret Biden is really in charge conspiracies during the Obama administration as it was much scarier to uneducated hicks to pretend Obama was a Muslim terrorist etc.
Right but you’re not trying to win the entire party, you’re trying to win 5 states where Biden’s support among black voters is at best irrelevant and at worst not enough
Take Michigan for instance. Biden is a dog to win despite a 47/34 lead in registered voters dem versus Republican in no small part because young voters in Michigan despise him for Gaza. Black voters make up 8% of registered Dems and won’t deliver the ground needed to make up the gap
If Gaza is the reason Michigan will be lost due to depressed turnout or outright spiteful rebellion, how is this turned around by his uncharismatic VP who has supported every policy being the head of the ticket?
wait....so the deep state has no actual power?????
republicans: "The Deep State has all the power and pulls ALL the strings. If it happened, it was the deep state!!"
also republicans... "Thought I read something there is a possibility at the convention, but also heard only Joe can step down. Clusterf*ck"
...seriously, the only people stupider than you republicans are the people who listen to and/or argue with your bullshit
dems lose if they run biden or kamala. its not even close
the international court just confirmed his name should be genocide joe. He cant even remember his own chief of staffs name.
EVERYONE KNOWS ITS OVER, most just wont admit it
The mistake is thinking there is precedent for literally anything we’re dealing with now. No election in American history can be cross referenced with what’s happening this year
I agree with you, but I was talking about what people who want Biden to drop out could say to convince him. What you said os just another reason for him to stay in.
Biden did so well with older black voters because he was willing to be subservient to a much younger black man.
This takes seems pretty LOL. Biden agreed to be the Vice-President. I suspect that every governor and every Democrat in Congress would have agreed to be VP if they had been asked. And Biden played the usual role of a VP.
I have no reason to believe that older black voters thought Biden was unusually subservient as VP. Nor do I have any reason to believe that they would be especially inclined to support a presidential candidate who was an overly servile VP.
I realize a lot of the dems are saying they won't support him, but if it gets down to it and he really won't budge they'll come around. The alternative is monumentally worse.
