2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
So is the dem argument that the 30+ dem politicians that said Biden isn’t fit to run for president actually means
1) that running for office is actually harder than being the president (which of course none of them know because they’ve never been president) and he can’t handle the campaigning
Or
2) that all of them can read the future and at some point in the future Biden won’t be fit to be president but right now he’s fit to be president?
I don’t live in a world of hypotheticals.
He’s not pulling out because he’s a young man and wants to pursue a new life of building EV’s and rockets like Elon.
He’s self admittedly pulling out because of his own decline.
You guys like to debate just to debate.
My point is valid. He endorses Harris. He thinks she would be a good president. The line of succession is in the constitution. He can resign and Harris can finish out the rest of his
Let me refresh your memory …
If he’s unfit to beat Trump..he’s unfit to be in the most powerful position in the world.
U like change goal post don’t u …
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...
And while it has been my intention to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my term.”
Where he says he leaves because of his decline and his unfit ?
Ps: we are not debating , we are force to correct your bad takes .
So is the dem argument that the 30+ dem politicians that said Biden isn’t fit to run for president actually means
1) that running for office is actually harder than being the president (which of course none of them know because they’ve never been president) or
2) that all of them can read the future and at some point in the future Biden won’t be fit to be president but right now he’s fit to be president?
I think we are saying running a campaign is a popularity contest and winning a popularity contest doesn’t necessarily translate being great at running a country .
Trump is obviously one great example of that .
So is the dem argument that the 30+ dem politicians that said Biden isn’t fit to run for president actually means
1) that running for office is actually harder than being the president (which of course none of them know because they’ve never been president) or
2) that all of them can read the future and at some point in the future Biden won’t be fit to be president but right now he’s fit to be president?
I don't know what it is about option 2 that is even remotely surprising. People's cognitive ability declines as they get older and it's clear that Biden's is deteriorating. It's not even slightly strange that people would believe that Biden in his current state is fit to carry out the rest of his term (or at least believe that it would cause more problems if he didn't) but also believe that it is likely he wouldn't be fit 4 years in the future.
It's also worth noting that almost no Dem politicians have actually said that Biden "isn't fit to run for president" so the whole argument is a bit of a strawman to begin with. The statements have always been that it's better for party/country if he doesn't, without stating exactly why beyond saying that he's not the best option to beat Trump.
My point is valid. He endorses Harris. He thinks she would be a good president. The line of succession is in the constitution. He can resign and Harris can finish out the rest of his term. That sounds like an endorsement to me!
He could. But that wasn't your original point, it was this:
If he’s unfit to beat Trump..he’s unfit to be in the most powerful position in the world.
Which of course is quite the controversial take as you know, so it's rather silly to keep coming back to...
Wow put Clooney in there and Trump might drop out of the race (joke). He can't take losing again. But I don't believe it will ever happen. Clooney might be the Dems version of bullet proof super electable Reagan.
George f.....g Clooney. lol
He's even dumber than cackling Kamala.
So is the dem argument that the 30+ dem politicians that said Biden isn’t fit to run for president actually means
1) that running for office is actually harder than being the president (which of course none of them know because they’ve never been president) and he can’t handle the campaigning
Or
2) that all of them can read the future and at some point in the future Biden won’t be fit to be president but right now he’s fit to be president?
No it means the polls were showing he would probably lose. Nothing more than that.
He could. But that wasn't your original point, it was this:
Which of course is quite the controversial take as you know, so it's rather silly to keep coming back to...
Is it that controversial when something like 70% of democrats think he’s unfit to run for office…and election is in 100 days or so?
/edit I get you guys think people are saying he’s unfit from Jan 1st 2025 until Jan 1st 2029.
He’s a young healthy able minded individual today on July 22 2024.
I mean, I hope you’re right. My faith in people is at an all time low though. Kinda feel like a lot of people just like to make fun of Biden or used it as an excuse to justify their Trump love.
the dirty little secret is that Dems have been doing better w whites (eroding a key R constituency) over the past two major election cycles (2020 and the 2022 midterms). all signs point to this trend continuing. whites still make up the bulk of the electorate (that will change later this century)
college educated whites
Clinton (45%), Trump (49%) -- 37% of the voting electorate
Biden (51%), Trump (48%) -- 32% of the voting electorate
** the 2022 midterms showed Dems scraping away even more college educated whites from Rs
non-college whites
Clinton (28%), Trump (67%) -- 34% of the voting electorate
Biden (32%), Trump (67%) -- 35% of the voting electorate
this trend is a big problem for MAGA. college educated whites will vote. Dems will likely eat more into this key R voting block. will R gains w POC be enough to offset these losses?
now Trump has chipped away a bit w blacks and a bunch w Hispanics. AZ is going to be difficult this go around for Dems bc of this. NV should still be lean-D tho for Dems. if Harris is on the ticket, she shores up the key Dem black voting block which obv helps in WI, MI and PA
the Gaza war hurts the Dems in MI and Biden is the face of that hate. now his face isn't part of the ticket. that plus Whitmer's all-star status (she is arguably the Dems brightest star... a future Dem presidential nominee) in the state should be enough to secure MI
the focus for both parties is going to be WI, MI, and PA ldo. i think Shapiro gets serious consideration for the ticket and he would help seal PA
things are obv fluid. but we know that MAGA has put forward a historically awful ticket. let's wait and see what the Dem ticket looks like and how the swing states effect their process
Whitmer brought Michigan online poker and legal weed, almost instantly. She's also quite likable.
What do you think unfit to run for office means? If you don't say "polling poorly" you are wrong.
He’s polling poorly because he looked like a had one foot in the White House and one in the nursing home during the debate (and in prior appearances)
He tweeted that he can no longer “talk” or “walk” like he used to the day after the debate.
He mentioned that he doesn’t want to work after 8pm anymore.
He can no longer remember names or statistics during his speeches.
What are some of the other reasons why you think he’s polling poorly?
Do you think 2020 Biden ever loses to Trump?
He’s polling poorly because he looked like a had one foot in the White House and one in the nursing home during the debate (and in prior appearances)
He tweeted that he can no longer “talk” or “walk” like he used to the day after the debate.
He mentioned that he doesn’t want to work after 8pm anymore.
He can no longer remember names or statistics during his speeches.
What are some of the other reasons why you think he’s polling poorly?
Do you th
I'm sorry, I missed it. Did you answer "because he's polling poorly" or not. Reminder, if you didn't, you are wrong.
Not sure how the dems are going to win crucial mid west swing states with Harris - be interesting to see who her VP is
