The costs of trans visibility

https://www.newsweek.com/people-who-iden...

Where are all the trans adults who are now free to come out? Why such discrepancy among Generation Z?

It’s self evident that the groups getting caught up the most in trans are the tomboys and the effeminate boys.

Pronouns are neither a legal nor a scientific matter.

Teachers lobbied to have laws passed about NOT having to tell parents if the minor self identifies as trans, and managed to do so (to get the laws passed) in California and elsewhere.
That is more than enough proof they do intend to push kids on the edge.

I am not sure which definition of grooming you want to use, the claim here is that minors with problems (severe lack of self esteem and others), and not-fully-hetero sexual preferences and/or with gender non-stereotypical behavior ("tomboys" and others), can be persuaded to be "actually trans", without changing absolutely anything (at least to begin with) in their life; it's not about someone otherwise absolutely normal and well-perfoming in society being "groomed". It's about people with significant personal problems + uncommon sexual preferences / behavioural attitudes ("misfits" in many cases) being given an alternative path to try to feel better about themselves.

We have hundreds of such stories by the minors themselves after they realize it later on, those stories are everywhere in non-leftist social media- Then we have things like 50%+ of tavistock minor patiens being autistic and so on.

Btw the fact that girls do self identify as trans much more often than boys it's clear proof that it's about social contagion, as girls are definitely far more susceptible to social contagion than boys , literature is uncontroversial about this.

It's not even particularly important to identify the causes of that social contagion (i happen to believe teachers play a significant role, but it could be minor, doesn't matter much, i am not asking to arrest those teachers so i don't have to prove anything), because we can protect the not-actually-trans kid from most actual damage , no matter what the source is , by banning puberty blockers, hormones and surgery.

They can keep self-identify the way they want , whatever the reason(s), but as long as they can't vote they can't harm themselves with the help of the medical establishment if sensible laws are passed, so that's enough for me (for now)

When the topic is that you can be punished by law by using the wrong pronouns because it's insulting/disrespectful, and the reason it's disrespectful is that "science" claims that gender identity exists, and it's entirely and uniquely subjective, yes they are.

I disagree that this is self-evident.

This is not proof at all. You are making up people's motivations based on your own thoughts instead of their stated reasons.

Ok, not just those groups. How about the socially marginalized in general? That would include not just those alienated by gender norms but also those who may be autistic.

How does the trans identity serve them in the future? They should be considered as much as the current trans community.

I brought up the suicide example previously and I’ve been bringing up religion for a reason. It’s related to why trans identification is increasing. Again, it is not the same as sexual orientation.

As I stated before with suicide, we are not in the evolutionary story anymore. We are in the religious story. Trans identification emerges from a (mostly) subconscious level. It’s a counterfeit alternative to the individuation / hero’s journey process.

The force offering it up as a solution is the same force which voices suicidal ideation. I know this because I’ve dedicated my life to the internal hero’s journey. When you get to the end, the unknown of the mind is revealed. This is the only way to truly understand the mind.

Nobody has said they won’t discuss anything

I’ve been begging for people to post actual content that backs their opinions and claims.

I think it’s likely this content just doesn’t exist.

So we ride the merry go round where I supply studies and statistics, you guys reject studies and statistics, then spew a bunch of opinions and jerk each other off for those opinions giving a nice confirmation bias dopamine hit and that’s all that gets internalized.

That’s pretty much the definition of bad faith arguments

This is why I quoted those two posts

Just ****ing repeating ones self ad nauseum despite having been answered 100 times

Gansta understand the merry go round

this is your answer when we try to counter with actual published science absurd claims like "only 1% detransition"

coordi i hope you can understand where we sit: "gender studies" are utter crap participated almost exclusively by rabid Marxists.

The entire field is a shame, a joke, completely devoid of any actual science.

you would like people to rebut the claim but it's like you going on with astrological claims linking what grifters tell people about Scorpio and Uranus.

what am I supposed to counter to that? it's incredible a rational person can even believe that field of "study" is anything but a joke.

we can link actually science from actual fields that is either tangential to topics discussed, or tries to enter the "gender studies" claims in full, but you go with "debunked" or "doesn't count this is right-wing". you already did that.

you say detransitioning is 1%. I tried to tell you, man actual real scientists in normal fields tells you that's false, completely made up, only rabid activists posing as researxher and getting financed to publish pro trans activism stuff claim that.

Where you supply a paper written by a nobody providing statistics that are meaningless. But by all means, keep linking your ''gender studies'' papers and keep pretending that basic biology is not a thing.

Perfect description for you, the 2 mods and that teacher.

What study are you using as your source for that less than 1%?

i posted a bunch of thoughts that you ignored, meanwhile you've made many posts since then and only to insult other posters

but yeah, you're the one posting in good faith here... right...

weird

doesn't matter how much you rub his own behavior in his nose, he's not going to understand it objectively for what it is because this is a religion and their behavior is thus infallible

Well that and the mods are on a certain side. His. Or I mean theirs.

yup, exactly why certain posters who come here with no purpose other than to insult others don't even get as much as a reprimand let alone a temp ban

Who’s insulting people here? I’m not seeing any insults.

lmao @ the mods removing my post and giving me an infraction because 2+2 is captured by the gender cult. What an absolute joke. There literally is no evidence whatsoever for trans-identity. It is an unfalsifiable state of mind and I can't believe a poker forum has fallen victim to such horseshit. I didn't say there aren't people that identify themselves as "trans." I said there is no such thing as trans BECAUSE THERE ISN'T. Pathetic. Ganstaman is a garbage mod and should absolutely withdraw from this discussion.

How many pages do I have to read to catch the other invented rules by this ideologue so I don't get my account nuked? Do I have to pretend that men are women or that someone's perceptive issues from DSM-listed mental disorders are reality? Again, absolutely pathetic.

Holy ****, you have no clue wtf you're talking about. This is like day one level **** that you could Google in two seconds to find out, yet you're here, expressing doubt to defend your religion. Why are you modding this discussion? Why is there even a thread to discuss this cult if you have already solely decided that the discussion is over and the very thing we're discussing is settled?

This is not how to respond to a small infraction and deleted post. Phresh is on a one-day ban to cool off. I'll leave these posts up to explain to others.

people identifying as trans is evidence of trans-identity, and proof that it exists. lol