2024 ELECTION THREAD

Like you said, it's all relative. I'd also consider you "intelligent" as far as radical leftists go, if it makes you feel better. Neither of you have competition which presents a particularly high bar to clear, at least not on this forum.

He did with tariffs. And you know it.

And he did with his rewrite of NAFTA , a tad.

You are angry because you know it's true.

Btw I am not a conservative. I am a rightwing libertarian.

At some point I think to myself people like you actually deserve real fascists destroying your lives, so you understand I wasn't one of them.

But I still hope for a minimum of decency on your side, acknowledging people like me are the first lien against actual fascism (like lockdowns were), while people like you will rubber stamp actual fascism if your job was a stake.

You would work for the trains to go on time to the concentration camps if it was your job for the department of transportation, the government ordered it, and if it meant paying your mortgage.

I wouldn't.

Indeed, Colonel Jessup. We can't handle the truth. We all should be thanking you for defending us from fascism rather than questioning the manner in which you provide such a defense.

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Doesn’t sound like me ….

Colonel Luciom uses words like "radical leftism," "Marxism," "communism". He uses these words as the backbone of a posting career spent inventing definitions. You use them as a punch line.

General Luciom posted so we could all be free

It wasn't. It was a formatting thing

I am not who you think the "they" is in your sentence but if it is "the leftists" then you couldn't be more wrong.

There were no liberal leftists that I knew (including me) who had any criticism of John McCain as a person except for what he did in the 1980's with the banking scandal. But if I remember correctly he owned his mistake.

We (leftists) have always admired John McCain for his service to the country and especially because he had been a captive POW in Vietnam for years.

When a crowd member at one of his rallies trashed Obama by using the N word (if I remember correctly) McCain immediately said "No don't say that" or something like that continuing "Obama is a good person" again or something like that. I was incredibly impressed with McCain as a person and I was also very grateful that he chose to save Obamacare during the Trump administration's attempt to end it. I didn't vote for him and never would because I am a leftist. But I am never going to criticize him as a human being.

What it sounds like you are doing is trying to make the left somehow similar to the right. You have the Swift Boat guy back trying to take down Walz like he took down Kerry in 2004. And you are acting like Leftists would Swift Boat McCain. We might go after Trump if the right continues to pretend that Walz chose not to fight in Iraq instead of admitting that he had started his resignation process (by signing up to run for congress) before there was any knowledge of going to Iraq. Because Trump actually avoided the draft by pretending he had bone spurs. This was fairly common among the rich in NY during the draft.

I was not rich and I have no idea if I would have ended up in Canada or gone to fight in Vietnam but I was lucky. I did get my draft card and the draft ended before I had to report.

taxing tips sounds ******ed

In fact, IIRC, McCain's biggest and loudest critic of the last decade was renowned radical leftist and vociferous MSM defender Donald J. Trump.

Yes he criticized him from the left talking up what radical leftists used against him back in the day in 2008.

On interventionism in geopolitics in general, Trump is clearly to the left of Sanders (and for me, from the right, that's his biggest liability as I said many times)

Ah yes, that time the "radical leftists" mocked him for being a POW and said "we like soldiers who weren't captured", I remember it like it was yesterday.

Irony is the second line of defense against fascism, so I am glad I helped a bit on that anyway.

Now go get the bad guys, many of them are among your files, and help fixing western civilization after you had your well deserved laugh

They actually did, it was in the politico 2008 article I linked

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Getting shot down, tortured and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience,” Aravosis wrote in the blog post, titled “Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?”
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https://www.politico.com/story/2008/06/s...

Trump just took radical leftist takes from the time

it would be significantly better to just force businesses to pay fair wages. or put more money towards subsidizing childcare/free pre-school/school lunches/free college education and things service workers need that they would actually see real benefit from. not so lawyers and others could shift fees to "tips" for services and start loop holing.

"no tax on tips!" is one of those things that sounds good to idiots, and good on trump's team for thinking about it and using it. he certainly doesn't mean it in any way that would help actual normal people as seen by the Cruz proposal.

Alright, fair enough. I should have probably known that Trump stole his material from somewhere, and also that the Victor types would stoop that low.

It sounds so good to idiots that the Harris campaign jumped right on it!

Btw you are right that a provision is required to avoid other people starting taking "tips".

Which is why you can write the law to exempt tips only in sectors which had tips as a significant percentage of salary in say 2022 or whatever. You are the law guy you can think about how to write it better than me.

Be helpful though, why the negativity ?Harris is in favour so it must be correct

FYI in the UK tips are treated just the same as any other income so are taxed in the same way.

This is the incident you are remembering.

Our politics have deteriorated a bit in the intervening period.

the negativity is because i dont trust any writing of a law to actually get through congress that actually only helps people that would need it to go through.

Harris is also saying it because it sounds good. although her position is slightly different than trumps. her's is estimated to cost 100 billion compared to trumps 250 billion because she somewhat attempted to narrow it to just people that need relief.

if we're going to go populist to help real people. i'd prefer a much stronger Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. similar to biden admin announcing that they are going to try and force subscription services to allow you to cancel with one click. and preventing Banks and financial institutions from "doom-looping" you.(preventing you from ever talking to real people by switching you back and forth from automated responses to AI tools).

I tip generously because I have a lot of empathy for taxi drivers, waiters, etc., but in a perfect world, the price of the ride or the meal would be significantly increased, the increase would flow directly through to the driver, waiter, etc. in the form of increased wages, and tipping would be greatly reduced or eliminated.

It would make things much easier for customers, tax filers, and tax authorities.

dumped his injured 1st wife for money

"I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."

legitimized proto-maga by picking sarah palin as his running-mate

spawned one of the most useless sacks of **** to ever exist

and don't even get me started on his political record

mccain was awful all around. i'm with trump for once, i like soldiers who don't crash their plane and get their stupid ass captured

Thx to 72o for confirmation