2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
???? hard to believe this is a serious question where you don't think it's possible that republicans could work in government or there's no community organizer type roles which they take up
huh? It's a serious question, and I don't understand your point. I'm asking where are the school teachers, nurses, community organizers, etc... that run for Republican office? Who are they? There's a long list of Democrats that come from these backgrounds.
huh? It's a serious question, and I don't understand your point. I'm asking where are the school teachers, nurses, community organizers, etc... that run for Republican office? Who are they? There's a long list of Democrats that come from these backgrounds.
while it's declining, nearly half of all politicians in america are former lawyeres, you're focusing on outliers and hence it's the party which feels best to emphasize those who have those traits and not bring up too much about the prior work of those who didn't
here's a list of former teachers in congress, as you can see it's a pretty big 50/50 and also very small portion of people in congress
while it's declining, nearly half of all politicians in america are former lawyeres, you're focusing on outliers and hence it's the party which feels best to emphasize those who have those traits and not bring up too much about the prior work of those who didn't
No, not focusing on outliers, just asking if there are any Republicans who come from a community organizing background, or public service background. I'm assuming there has to be a few somewhere. Looks like you posted a list, so I will take a look. I haven't known any personally, and I've been around politicians all my life.
Their skills cause their political leaning. They lean libertarian because they are self sufficient in their environment.
Not really. They lean that way because of the ideological environment they grew up in which also happens to value self sufficiency. Probably due more to religion than anything else.
My father was a carpenter. I was an assistant to a friend of his for some summers in college and we listened to npr while remodeling bathrooms, etc. Self-sufficiency is very important to me personally. I can fix cars, bikes, computers, plumbing… basically everything I own. Didn’t for one second affect my politics or that of my father’s friends who worked with their hands. I think those guys were a minority in their political views of course but it doesn’t follow that self-sufficiency leads to conservatism.
Communes are another example of generally hard left self-reliant types.
Non-hunting outdoor enthusiasts also probably lean left on average.
On another note, I think the DNC shows a turning of the leaf on wokeness in the democratic party. Very few if no mentions of police racism or systemic racism in general. Heavy pro military, pro law and order, pro border security message. Pro America message with emphasis on creating economic opportunity and strengthening middle class.
None of the leftist excesses of the party received a platform on the stage, which should bode well for moderates that are concerned with the media’s fearmongering about Kamala’s economic platform.
Obama in his speech even mentioned removing unnecessary red tape and regulations, which I think is absolutely necessary for bringing down cost of business, especially in housing.
I think that the DNC, for anyone that watched it, should be a good sign for anyone that is tired of the capture of woke politics in the Democratic party and wants a socially liberal party rather than a socially radical party. The American people support gay marriage, not the destruction of cisheteronormativity. We want labor rights, not socialism. We want people to have racial equality, not to brand white people as inherently racist.
I don’t think those positions were prominent in the Democratic party in the first place, but they are disappearing more and more from any type of cultural or political relevancy.
AOC, a member of the squad, the most leftist caucus inside the party, the icon of rabid radicalism, speaks. To the left of 95-99% of the party.
Checkraise: none of the leftist excesses of the party received a platform
I am not sure we live in the same reality.
Not really. They lean that way because of the ideological environment they grew up in which also happens to value self sufficiency. Probably due more to religion than anything else.
My father was a carpenter. I was an assistant to a friend of his for some summers in college and we listened to npr while remodeling bathrooms, etc. Self-sufficiency is very important to me personally. I can fix cars, bikes, computers, plumbing… basically everyt
It doesn't which is why i said they lean libertarian not conservative. They don't want strangers to mess with them, because they don't feel like they need strangers in general.
AOC, a member of the squad, the most leftist caucus inside the party, the icon of rabid radicalism, speaks. To the left of 95-99% of the party.
Checkraise: none of the leftist excesses of the party received a platform
I am not sure we live in the same reality.
Oprah had a great line on the reality of Republicans in her speech tonight:
"There are people who would have you believe that books are dangerous, and assault rifles are safe"
It doesn't which is why i said they lean libertarian not conservative. They don't want strangers to mess with them, because they don't feel like they need strangers in general.
Libertarianism in the American context that we’re speaking about is generally right leaning. And conservatism is at least as important a part of the ideology of the rural people you’re talking about as libertarianism. In either case, there’s more going on here regarding the foundation of their beliefs than self-reliance leads to libertarianism.
AOC, a member of the squad, the most leftist caucus inside the party, the icon of rabid radicalism, speaks. To the left of 95-99% of the party.
Checkraise: none of the leftist excesses of the party received a platform
I am not sure we live in the same reality.
Luciom, I know you're not from the US, and you're not pro Democrat, so you don't understand the evolution of the party and especially AOC over the last four years. But I implore you to compare AOC's 2020 speech to AOC's 2024 speech. In 2024 she mentioned civil rights and reproductive health. In 2020 she mentioned colonialism and deep system issues for the working class. In 20204 she talked about the middle class and the need for electing democrats up and down the ballot (which includes moderate democrats). You also might not understand a more general trend in American politics of people being able to move from the party fringes to closer to the middle. Sinema, who I think you once celebrated to me as a moderating influence, got her career started as a left-wing green party candidate. So the idea that AOC can't moderate and didn't give a moderate speech is absurd.
Please watch her speech and tell me what is woke about it. For God's sake she talked about how America is inherently good and loves working class people and middle class people. She celebrated Kamala Harris's patriotism over Donald Trump's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO7SE4Zp...
For God's sake this was the headline of MSNBC: "AOC once electrified the left. Now she electrifies the party establishment."
Luciom, I know you're not from the US, and you're not pro Democrat, so you don't understand the evolution of the party and especially AOC over the last four years. But I implore you to compare AOC's 2020 speech to AOC's 2024 speech. In 2024 she mentioned civil rights and reproductive health. In 2020 she mentioned colonialism and deep system issues for the working class. In 20204 she talked about the middle class and the need for electing de
Checkraise I know you don't follow extremism as much as I do, but AOC hold an incendiary , rabid, almost terroristic speech in defense of one of the worst antisemite politicians in the USA, squad companion Bowman, this year when he was under fire in primaries.
Aside from the fact that you don't come back from radicalism, at least not in my mind, at least not without 10+ years of a non radical voting record in Congress, but it happened two months ago lol.
I understand at the convention she was a little more moderate, she is still the beacon of the ultra radicals inside the Dem party. Of course people to her left exist but they are enemies of the democratic party like Karl Marx in this forum.
I am in favor of states over the federal government on most (not all) things because that's what the constitution says.
It also allows for competition among models, and allows people to move where they feel laws are closer to their preferences, but only if federal rules aren't too common.
Btw no they don't like that federal money and they repeatedly vote for parties that want to reduce it.
When Medicaid expansion passed red states didn't use i
Well that's some great reasonning here, you totally sold me on this.
Libertarianism in the American context that we’re speaking about is generally right leaning. And conservatism is at least as important a part of the ideology of the rural people you’re talking about as libertarianism.
Libertarianism as an actual ideology with relevant policy seems pretty much irrelevant in American politics. It had a brief surge of popularity when Ron Paul was popular, then it died out.
While actual libertarians certainly do exist, we saw them boo Trump off stage not too long ago, the far more common variant is just the crypto-conservative. These are the people who pay lip service to ideals of smaller government and personal freedom, but despite this still vote conservative, support an increasingly stronger and more invasive executive branch and have no qualms about government passing moral laws.
From my years of debating politics online, there also seems to be the religious zealot and alt-right variants. Loons whose idea of freedom from government is to oppress or persecute others without fear of repercussion.
Checkraise I know you don't follow extremism as much as I do, but AOC hold an incendiary , rabid, almost terroristic speech in defense of one of the worst antisemite politicians in the USA, squad companion Bowman, this year when he was under fire in primaries.
Aside from the fact that you don't come back from radicalism, at least not in my mind, at least not without 10+ years of a non radical voting record in Congress, but it happened two mo
Look, I don't know what your standards are for "incendiary, rabid, almost terroristic", so forgive me if I don't take your word for it. I also don't know what you mean by Bowman being an "antisemite". So please demonstrate that.
This aside, it legitimately doesn't matter to my point at all. I didn't say there aren't fringe ideas in the party, I said they weren't platformed on the DNC stage. So please don't move the goalposts here.
only 27 more days till the ginger whinger gets sentenced.... looking forward to it.
Unless his greasy lawyers get a deferral for the crabby babby.
You said radicals weren't platformed.
No "leftist excesses" were platformed.
AOC is the living embodiment of leftist excesses inside the democratic party.
On another note, I think the DNC shows a turning of the leaf on wokeness in the democratic party. Very few if no mentions of police racism or systemic racism in general. Heavy pro military, pro law and order, pro border security message. Pro America message with emphasis on creating economic opportunity and strengthening middle class.
None of the leftist excesses of the party received a platform on the stage, which should bode well for moder
Let’s see you pick out the part of this post where I said radicals weren’t platformed, and please show the part of AOC’s speech where she spoke on the issues I was talking about. You are focused on the person, I was focused on the ideas. This whole line of inquiry is based off you not having sufficient reading comprehension, not on any factual mistake I made.
I am in favor of states over the federal government on most (not all) things because that's what the constitution says.[...]
The US constitution literally enables federalism. It superseded the Articles of Confederation and laid the framework for a far stronger federal government.
So while the US certainly has and needs constitutional debates on federal versus state power, as an historical document and political document it is pretty much the exact opposite of what you claim here.
liberal Dems tell us exactly who they are.
Free market at work:
tl;dr - Meat producers all submit pricing info to a market data aggregator that disseminates price reports back to those producers, with each using that information to set production and price levels nationally. In other words, price collusion laundered through a third-party intermediary.
