2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Times/Siena Poll has Trump 5 points ahead of Biden with national voters
Not great, that's for sure, but it's really early still.
And on that point, I did find this amusing:
rump just as their general-election contest is about to begin, a new poll by The New York Times and Siena College has found.
With eight months left until the November election
Only in America can you have an election process so drawn out that eight months until the election has some saying the "contest is about to be begin".
vote for Biden bc everyone else would do genocide too doesnt quite have the ring you thought it would. might want to rethink this one.
First off it ain’t Biden that doing it, like do u accuse the company selling guns to all the murders in the U.S. ?
Second Biden ask repeatedly Israel to stop .
Third it just a fact no US president will disavowed Israel so pointing Biden for it is stupid .
But hey it’s ok to believe like u do trump would do the opposite .
Under trump -> ring a bell ?
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17340798/j...
. But as the embassy event got underway on Monday, Israeli soldiers were firing on Palestinian protesters at the Gaza border.
As of Tuesday morning, they had killed at least 60 people and wounded thousands of others. Many of the protesters were unarmed, though some hurled rocks and Molotov cocktails. The Israeli military also said that they shot three protesters who were attempting to detonate a bomb. No Israelis so far have been injured.
Palestinians are in their seventh week of protests at the border with Gaza, calling for the right of return to territory that is now part of Israel. They’re also protesting the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, which is suffering from a stifling Israeli and Egyptian blockade.
The Palestinians want to officially divide the city and make East Jerusalem the capital of a future Palestinian state. The Israelis disagree — and the right-wing government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has long made clear that it wouldn’t consider making concessions over Jerusalem, in part because Jews were barred from the Western Wall when the Old City was under Jordanian control in the years before the 1967 war.
All of this helps explain why the Israeli government was pleased when Trump made good on a promise he’d made time and time again during his campaign and recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
To be clear, Trump isn’t the first US president to talk about moving the American embassy to Jerusalem. As Politico points out, Bill Clinton said he supported the idea in principle. George W. Bush declared he would move the US ambassador there in 2000. And Barack Obama, for his part, referred to the city as the capital of Israel and said it must remain “undivided.” Congress has also repeatedly passed legislation calling for the embassy move.
But none of the previous presidents followed through — one reason being that the move would appear to put the US squarely on the side of Israel.
Ilan Goldenberg, a Middle East expert with the Center for New American Security, told me that Trump’s decision significantly undercuts the US’s credibility as a neutral party in the conflict.
As the country that has led the Israeli-Palestinian peace process negotiations for the past 25 years, the US is “supposed to be acting like the fireman,” he said. “Instead, we’re acting like the arsonist — we’re making things worse.”
The embassy move could also make the chances of a peace deal, already remote given that the two sides haven’t held serious peace talks in years, nearly impossible.
But since u too support Putin for genocide im not surprise u would Lean towards trump expecting to do better …..
I dont think Trump would do any better. but he might. we just dont know. we do know exactly what Biden would do. bc he is doing it. he is doing genocide. #genocideJoe.
Seem u need to reread the bolded part I did …
Trump did something no other president did before hugely favouring Israel while a similar situation in Gaza existed and he didn’t care ….
But keep dreaming .
Anyway it isn’t a biden issue it’s a US issue and blaming genocidejoe like u do is ridiculous .
Whether Trump would do better or not is irrelevant because he couldn't do any worse. It doesn't get any worse than aiding and and abetting genocide. Biden needs to be given the message that genocide is not acceptable and the only way to do that is a heavy defeat in the election.
Whether Trump would do better or not is irrelevant because he couldn't do any worse. It doesn't get any worse than aiding and and abetting genocide. Biden needs to be given the message that genocide is not acceptable and the only way to do that is a heavy defeat in the election.
If it’s biden fault like u and victor alluding too , which action should biden do ?
Invade Israel to make it stop ?
Or u suggesting actual US military are doing genocide in Gaza and biden should retreat his soldiers ?
If it’s biden fault like u and victor alluding too , which action should biden do ?
Invade Israel to make it stop ?
Or u suggesting actual US military are doing genocide in Gaza and biden should retreat his soldiers ?
no clue what the right course of action is but there is some middle ground between
a) backing Israel full stop, providing $3B annually in economic & military aid
b) invading Israel
Whether Trump would do better or not is irrelevant because he couldn't do any worse. It doesn't get any worse than aiding and and abetting genocide. Biden needs to be given the message that genocide is not acceptable and the only way to do that is a heavy defeat in the election.
This take is really odd. Trump plays so hard to his base of white supremacists he's alienated most moderates and you think he's going to prevent Israel from exterminating the people he views as subhuman?
no clue what the right course of action is but there is some middle ground between
a) backing Israel full stop, providing $3B annually in economic & military aid
b) invading Israel
Yes but those 2 are saying Biden is doing the genocide right ?
If this was true , are we suppose to expect the genocide will stop as soon the U.S. stop selling weapons to Israel for example ?
That would be the natural result if Biden was “genocide Joe” like victor loves to allude to right ?
For me , if US would do anything else short of invading Israel to stop eject bibi,
Israel would just turn around and buy weapons else where and continues their offensive , ending that stupid narrative that it’s Biden that do the genocide …
I mean many time he pleads Israel to stop and they don’t listen ffs …
But hey it’s Biden all right zzzzz
And the worse is , victor concede he don’t think trump would do better and yet he blames Biden ….
This take is really odd. Trump plays so hard to his base of white supremacists he's alienated most moderates and you think he's going to prevent Israel from exterminating the people he views as subhuman?
can't argue with this logically but that's not how politics works. the modern era is "I don't like what's happening so I'm voting opposite party or not voting" and we get a new party in office every 4 years. #hellscapereality
Montreal your last post is unintelligible but just reiterating "invade Israel to make it stop?" is a complete strawman. good day.
If it’s biden fault like u and victor alluding too , which action should biden do ?
Invade Israel to make it stop ?
Or u suggesting actual US military are doing genocide in Gaza and biden should retreat his soldiers ?
Simple. One phone call is all it would take. Biden tells Bibi he's stopping all funding and arms/military supplies. The genocide would stop instantly.
He could and should have done it months ago. But being the coward he is, he didn't and won't.
can't argue with this logically but that's not how politics works. the modern era is "I don't like what's happening so I'm voting opposite party or not voting" and we get a new party in office every 4 years. #hellscapereality
I don't doubt there's a deficit of critical thinking in our world, but people are smart enough to vote against the madman. I disagree. Rs messed up really bad 2016-2020 and Ds are cleaning up like usual. Cons are doing their best to manufacture crisis and make lemonade, but they've got a lot of undesirable people leading them. It's a bit of a blessing and a curse. Mainstream cons are so far gone, they're unelectable nationally and there's the curse.
This take is really odd. Trump plays so hard to his base of white supremacists he's alienated most moderates and you think he's going to prevent Israel from exterminating the people he views as subhuman?
That's not what I said. Maybe you should learn to read better. I didn't say Trump would prevent it (or not prevent it). I don't know and neither do you. But I do know Biden could prevent it and hasn't. Hence Genocide Joe has to go. As I said aiding and abetting genocide is unacceptable. If Trump did it it would be just as unacceptable.
As for Trump alienating most moderates, that's not what the polls are saying.
Simple. One phone call is all it would take. Biden tells Bibi he's stopping all funding and arms/military supplies. The genocide would stop instantly.
He could and should have done it months ago. But being the coward he is, he didn't and won't.
Really , u believe Israel just couldn’t turn around and buy/use other weapons from elsewhere ?
There is more then 1 company in the world producing weapons.
Montreal your last post is unintelligible but just reiterating "invade Israel to make it stop?" is a complete strawman. good day.
What’s hard to get ?
US invade Israel to eject bibi .
https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/03/isra...
It is another sign of the widening cracks in Israel's government nearly five months into its war with Hamas.
The official said Netanyahu had a tough talk with Gantz about the trip and told him the country has just one prime minister.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has tanked in popularity since the country's war with Hamas broke out, according to most opinion polls.
US priorities in the region have increasingly been hampered by Netanyahu ultra-nationalist cabinet.
Gantz more moderate party at times acts as a counterweight to Netanyahu's far-right allies.
Israel's leader has tanked in popularity since the war broke out, according to most opinion polls.
Many Israelis hold him responsible for Hamas’ cross-border raid in which 1,200 people, mostly civilians, were killed and around 250 taken hostage.
What straw man ?
Just get rid of bibi to stop that $h!t in Gaza …
But the whole point is to show that Biden isnt the one doing the actions of bibi .
That's not what I said. Maybe you should learn to read better. I didn't say Trump would prevent it (or not prevent it). I don't know and neither do you. But I do know Biden could prevent it and hasn't. Hence Genocide Joe has to go. As I said aiding and abetting genocide is unacceptable. If Trump did it it would be just as unacceptable.
As for Trump alienating most moderates, that's not what the polls are saying.
I can read and comprehend fine. Many times in the past the MAGA movement has referred to anyone that's not white as subhuman. Since I posted my first message I realized most MAGAs also don't consider Jewish people white, but whatever. Your suggestions are bizarre.
If MAGA didn't lose in 2020, we likely would have nuked Gaza off the planet by Halloween 2023.
