2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Not sure it was Russian propaganda but it was definitely msm propaganda. So hilarious how the story changed over the course of a few days.
I don't follow any "MSM". My only hearing political spins comes from here and Bill Maher. BM was a big supporter of Biden until maybe 6 months ago, when he thought Biden could still do the job of president but wasn't up to campagning and winning. And in the last maybe 2 months he has actively wanted Biden to step down.
Why Kamala Harris is a stronger candidate than you think.
stepping in to save a party in crisis and running against the most dangerous
candidate America has ever faced may be her straightest path to becoming president
I don't believe for a second that kamala can win.
Because I don't think he will so I'm not worried about that tinfoil speculation.
Also not overly worried what has a slim chance of happening in America 4.5 years.
Even if he does try, I'm guessing he won't be successful in the same way he wasn't successful after last time.
He doesn't have to refuse to leave power. They have the supreme court and he has presidential immunity. The foundation can be laid so that the path forward is for the next Trump acolyte.
Honestly, I'm most terrified for our education. We can see what they have been doing in Oklahoma as an example of the type of **** they want to do across the board. Anti-Liberal appointees, erosion of the trust of our educators through propaganda, pushing for religion in the curriculum, removing critical thinking from the curriculum, and more.
If you care about GDP and growth then you should be worried about the Immigration policies
If I'm aware their Immigration policy could drive GDP and growth errosion then you better believe they are and with the repeal of Roe V Wade and the integration of religeon into everything its not that far of a stretch to start forcing people to have children.
I'm trying to keep things reasonable but this could go wildly off the rails in 4 years incredibly easy. The wheels have been in motion for the last 10 years.
He doesn't have to refuse to leave power. They have the supreme court and he has presidential immunity. The foundation can be laid so that the path forward is for the next Trump acolyte.
Honestly, I'm most terrified for our education. We can see what they have been doing in Oklahoma as an example of the type of **** they want to do across the board. Anti-Liberal appointees, erosion of the trust of our educators through propaganda, push
Education policy is, has always been, and will continue to remain very local. If you are arguing what is happening in rural Oklahoma will become a national issue, that is just bad faith IMO. Same as liberal districts in CA pushing pro Islamist ideology aren't going to affect education policy in the majority of the nation.
The future of public education is bleak; but that is because in red states it will get redder and worse. And in blue states will get bluer and worse. And elites will continue to send their kids to private schools to avoid the dysfunction (except their self imposed dysfunction as a result of elite progressive values, which they completely control and can course correct if/when they want to)
I've watched Oklahoma get **** on, deservedly, for 30 years so its hilarious (in a pathetically sad way) that suddenly lots of intelligent people who knew that Oklahoma was a backwoods shithole even 4 years ago are looking at the current state of things and just nodding their head approvingly because they think they might pay a few less % on their taxes and earn a few more % on the 401k.
Education policy is, has always been, and will continue to remain very local. If you are arguing what is happening in rural Oklahoma will become a national issue, that is just bad faith IMO. Same as liberal districts in CA pushing pro Islamist ideology aren't going to affect education policy in the majority of the nation.
The future of public education is bleak; but that is because in red states it will get redder and worse. And in blue s
The plan is to remove the department of education. There is no cross compatibility between red and blue education as it currently stands. "Blue" education is about indoctrinating children to adhere to the Trans LGBTQ agenda. You really aren't paying attention or you are being obtuse
Its like saying that "abortion will always be a national issue because Roe V Wade"
Until loons come in and flip that convention on its head you mean
Education policy is, has always been, and will continue to remain very local. If you are arguing what is happening in rural Oklahoma will become a national issue, that is just bad faith IMO. Same as liberal districts in CA pushing pro Islamist ideology aren't going to affect education policy in the majority of the nation.
The future of public education is bleak; but that is because in red states it will get redder and worse. And in blue s
Red education:
Its like saying that "abortion will always be a national issue because Roe V Wade"
Until loons come in and flip that convention on its head you mean
I'm pro-choice. The abortion issue is very annoying to me. Both seem to prefer it as a forever election issue. Dems could've codified it under Clinton in 93 or Obama in 2009. They didn't. Why not?
Project 2025 describes a plan to replace as many federal workers as quickly as possible with those who they consider loyalists. Trump has promised retribution against his perceived enemies when he wins. The military was used to suppress BLM protests. The Christian nationalist policies are more theocratic maybe, but definitely are authoritarian and ultra right wing.
There are hundreds of state laws being enacted to try to make elections more favorable to GOP after 2020.
What sort of details would you like? The MAGA movement is itself fascist in that it is violently opposed to democracy. There are countless examples, but Trump refers to the people who stormed the capitol as political prisoners and himself as a victim of political prosecutions for his crimes.
Trump's policy proposals all are extremely right wing or Christian Nationalist. This combined with his authoritarian nature and the notion that they are superior to others are why people refer to the MAGA movement as fascist.
Basically what lolwat said.
It's not so much official policy as trying anything they can to undermine democracy. I mean, really. Look what happened last election. They did everything they could to prevent the transfer of power. It didn't work but they will learn from it and try to make it happen the next time.
Some of the red states have already tried pushing the idea that the state legislature can change the electors voted by the people.
Project 2025 describes a plan to replace as many federal workers as quickly as possible with those who they consider loyalists. Trump has promised retribution against his perceived enemies when he wins. The military was used to suppress BLM protests. The Christian nationalist policies are more theocratic maybe, but definitely are authoritarian and ultra right wing.
There are hundreds of state laws being enacted to try to make elections more
this is all theoretical
name some fascist policies he enacted in his first term
This Trump will try to retain power claim is really funny when there's actually an 81 year old senile guy with mental problems doing exactly that. Pot kettle.
This Trump will try to retain power claim is really funny when there's actually an 81 year old senile guy with mental problems doing exactly that. Pot kettle.
Trying to get re-elected is the same as trying to retain power without being re-elected (or, in the case of 2028, being eligible for re-election), makes perfect sense. You seem like a really genuine poster who is here just asking questions.
It's not theoretical, it's all facts. You choose to ignore it. What do you think makes it clear he's not ultra right wing authoritarian?
Fascism is defined in short as ultra right wing authoritarianism. Trump's policies are ultra right wing and he's authoritarian who adores authoritarians. It's very simple.
In his first term, he used the military and federal resources to squash dissent. That's authoritarian.
He banned one third of the entire world from entering the US.
He refuses to admit defeat and violently revolted in an attempted coup.
I think it's more accurate than not to refer to Trump as fascist as he tries really hard to resemble one with his authoritarian antics.
Trying to get re-elected is the same as trying to retain power without being re-elected (or, in the case of 2028, being eligible for re-election), makes perfect sense. You seem like a really genuine poster who is here just asking questions.
1) don't agree that he tried to retain power without being elected. he questioned whether or not he was elected. there were some anomalies, but I agree his questioning was over the top.
2) he is trying to retain power as democratic nominee because there are obstacles in place to prevent him from removal. he is the only one with the power to step down, but he won't because he's a delusional old man that wants to retain power.
If you think Biden is the best candidate you can put forward at this stage, well good for you I guess.
If you think Biden is the best candidate you can put forward at this stage, well good for you I guess.
Except I didn't say that, did I? I said you were being disingenuous by focusing on the narrow wording of "retaining power", when it's clear that it meant "undemocratically retaining power", and trying to create a false equivalence. And now you're deflecting by suggesting that pointing this out must mean that I think Biden is the best candidate. These cheap, transparent rhetorical tactics might work on a bunch of MAGA chodes at a Trump rally or on Ben Shapiro audience members, but they don't work here.
