Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread

yes that was all a dm and wouldn't fit so i posted in omg but deleted and moved it here and sent him the link to that post explaining it wouldn't fit in a dm

OK. This sort of blew up while I was unavailable to read it. Now that I have, I have a few comments. They are based on what I can see here and in the thread in the mod forum. I am unaware of the content of any pm or other offline communications that may have taken place on this topic.

First, Max is aware of the situation and as far as I can tell, has not made a final decision on what the appropriate action for the site should be. He is still gathering information and advice from several sources, which I will not discuss. So it is far from a closed matter.

Second, there is quite a range of opinions on what lirva's posts represent as far as actual threats are concerned. This is fairly common with red flag type postings prior to a violent event. And people and state laws have differing opinions on the issue of thinking or saying something versus actually taking action. I have seen too many shootings where after the fact social media posts were ignored that in hindsight screamed out for investigation. So I personally fall into the better safe then sorry group. Others take a different view.

Third, while I created the thread in the mod forum to surface this issue there, now that it has been escalated and higher ups are working this issue, I dont feel that the moderation thread in a subforum is the optimal place to continue this discussion or insure higher ups see new or expanded info. So please use the ATF forum for further posts as needed.

Fourth, though LirvA had already been placed on a 3 month self ban, I have permabanned him. Im not going to discuss or answer any questions about why I did that. So dontbother asking.

Fifth, I dont give a **** about why or if lagtight was banned for using the term sodomite. That was a hundred years ago in internet time and is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Its like a cliche of this forum that whenever a ban is discussed someone brings up "but lagtight..." so I deleted those posts.

So please refrain from posting further about this subject in this thread. If someone feels they have pertinent info that TPTB need to see, put it in the ATF subforum.

And lastly, I support rick's efforts to surface this issue. It's an important issue that needs a careful examination. And imo the owners of the site are the ones who need the first crack at deciding what, if any action they need to take. As far as I know that is still being examined. Should they take an action that anyone here feels is insufficient, then each individual should decide what, if any, action they personally feel is necessary. So I will delete any attacks on anyone in regards to this matter.

Bottom line from my perspective:

No final decision has been made.
Info is still being gathered
Politics mod thread is no longer the appropriate place to discuss this.
No one cares about lagtights ban. Move on.

hard lol at the lagtight comments 😀

love you browser, thank you for posting that update

I posted this in the trans visibility thread, but Im reposting it here as it really applies to most threads. Be nice.

OK. Now that I'm back to modding, I dont have the time to go through several months of posts in the various threads to get caught up. But a quick scan of this one tells me we need to tighten up a bit by dropping the personal insults and instead focus on making points or counterpoints, some preferably even backed up by facts with sources. But opinions without facts behind them are still allowed, and other posters can decide whether to engage with or ignore such opinions. But in any case, please lose the personal attacks and insults.

Thanks.

Niceness Enforcer, back on duty!

by chillrob P

Niceness Enforcer, back on duty!

And it's great to be back with those who are widely regarded as the nicest posters in all of twoplustwo!

Anything ITT is pretty mild, do you have an example of a personal attack or insult that you would deem inappropriate from the last few weeks?

I think he was referring to recent comments in the trans thread.

Ah, missed that browser said it was a repost from that thread, thanks.

I'm going to mod with a somewhat lighter touch than previously, and rely more on post reports to call my attention to potential problem posts. But the blatant stuff like "you ****ing moron" or "you couldnt be more stupid if you tried" will be deleted on the spot.

The thing is, this is one of those issues that shouldnt be an issue at all. It's in the same category as off topic posts in the mod thread. If posters just think to themselves, "is this really a moderation related post? Is yes, post it in the mod thread. If no, post it in the general discussion thread.

Likewise, in the midst of a spirited back and forth with someone, and you are tempted to toss in a gratuitous personal insult, just ask "does this insult actually advance my position, or is it just a needless personal attack that will do nothing but elicit a response insult and move the discussion from an adult conversation to a grade school name calling exercise.

If you feel you are being trolled, you can always simply stop responding to the troll. That is like taking the oxygen from a troll. Trolls live for the response. Ignore them and they eventually give up. What fun is trolling if no one responds angrily with insults?

There are a lot of interesting topics in the threads right now with opposing positions that have generated good discussions. My hope is we will keep the focus on each side making their case or countering the other sides case and not devolve into a childish name calling derail.

So the constant lies and broad-bush smears against transgender people will still be okay, but we’re not allowed to hurt the feelings of transphobes, great.

Not everything has to be posted with the express purpose of advancing the discussion, you can have just, you know, banter.

So no more mild namecalling, but it’s still okay to spread lies and demean minority groups, fantastic policy.

Nothing I stated in my post should lead you to that conclusion. The fact that I chose to highlight personal attacks in no way implies everything else goes or that everything said in the past has some seal of approval. As I said, I did not go back to retro mod any threads. I will deal with issues as they arise going forward. If you feel there is a post going forward that is inappropriate submit a report and I will take a look at it.

Yes, of course.

Quit whining. No person in the trans thread has been personally attacked more than me. I'm happy we finally have a mod who will put an end to that because gangsta certainly had an "anything goes" policy as long as the people doing the personal attacks agreed with him.

Mr. browser, sir, I hope you had a pleasant holiday.

See my above response to the first version of your misstatement

To be fair, the first version was originally posted in the trans thread. I moved it here where it belongs.

OK. Thanks. That explains the two posts with just slightly different wording.

All:

Now that browser is back on active duty, I am stepping down as an active moderator. I have told King Spew and Bobo that they can leave me green to help out when browser and ganstaman are unavailable or they can return me to black. Either is fine with me.

Rococo

On behalf of the forum, your resignation is not accepted. Also, stop being so selfish: "I don't want to be a mod", "I'm just helping out", "I'll hand over when someone else steps up" - always "me, me, me" with you. What about our wants and needs, huh? What about those?

I second d2’s nomination as moderator

I deleted several posts (mine included) that referenced or critiqued other posters. This thread is for raising and discussing moderation issues, not assessing or labelling other posters as this or that.

I always wondered what happens when someone "offers" their resignation and it's not accepted. I guess that person just has to live a life of indentured servitude. But wait, that's kind of what the mods do already.