Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread

As I've said before - I'm not sure I'd even want to post on a forum that would have me as a moderator.

I don't recall you ever deleting any of my posts which means you mostly did a good job so thanks.

He's under orders from the congressional library to retain all of your output as it's deemed culturally and historically significant.

You're not supposed to mention another poster, even if you have a question or complaint about how his comments are being (or not being) moderated?

If you have a complaint about a post violating a rule, hit the report post button. What I am primarily talking about not being allowed are comments that say things like browser is a bigoted racist or browser is a shitty poster and should be banned. Its posts that attack or critique other posters rather than address moderation issues at all.

What usually happens next is that others pile on, and it turns into a "lets bash poster X openly in the mod forum. During the period I was modding previously I received numerous pm requesting that almost every reg in this forum be banned for one reason or another. Since whether to ban a poster is solely a mod decision, there is no need for a public posting of these types of things.

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Browser, in the few hours since you announced your return, more posts have been deleted or mod-edited in this forum than in the 6 months you were gone combined. Is this the "lighter touch" you speak of?

If you want a mod thread for important announcements that doesn't get cluttered with *gasp* posters having a conversation that was spawned by a moderation topic but isn't itself strictly related to moderation, why don't you just create a locked mod announcement sticky, and post important information there?

Thanks for stepping up, Rococo😀

No, I'll just keep deleting off topic posts in the mod thread until people stop making them. Chillirob asked a legit question about modding but it was sandwiched inbetween a bunch of off topic posts. But I, and other mods cant see that unless we read through all the off topic posts. So the mod thread is going to be treated differently than other threads, where some banter back and forth is fine.

Im just asking that people refrain from that tyoe of back and forth in thos particular thread.

I was thinking this same exact thing. It sounds to me like you don't even want posters posting in the moderation thread, so why allow us to even post here? Why not just lock this thread and keep it as a thread where only the mods post their moderation updates?

I really don't understand the wisdom of just mass-deleting things. You are the only mod I have ever seen in 19 years that habitually moderates by deleting posts. It is one thing to move posts, warn posters, or even ban posters, but deleting posts causes a discussion to lose coherence in a way that cannot be fixed and it also makes it so that interesting posts are lost forever. I am not talking about deleting posts with horse porn or dead bodies, but just regular posts that don't break any rules are routinely deleted. Why is this necessary?

Thanks, uke. It wasn't the thrilling power trip that I was promised, but I volunteered, so I guess that I can't complain if my thirst for authority remains unquenched.

+1 on the thanks for stepping up. We all know that modding is a pain in the ass, but you stepped up anyway. I was looking for some older post and I stumbled upon this one from last year. Clearly you knew what you were in for.

👍 for finding that old post. Modding is probably easier here than it is in a lot of politics forums.

It's about time the Rococo reign of terror ended.

Thanks for stepping up.

Moving posts is more time consuming than deleting. And in the case of the posts I recently deleted they were simply banter, not a discussion of a topic that warranted preservation in another thread. If everyone believed their off topic posts will be moved by a mod they will continue to post in the mod thread with the expectation that a mid will do what they should have done in the first place.

You are wrong about me not wanting people to post in the mod thread. I absolutely do, as chillirob recently did with a question about naming other posters. But I'm not going to have to wade through or move multiple posts about boomers and grandmas to find it. It's really that simple.

I get that everyone is used to using the mod thread as a stream of consciousness thread about any topic. That's not what is set up for. We have a thread for that. People just need to change their habits irt this single thread.

This is one of the posts I deleted. It was part of a multiple post off topic derail. It's not worth moving posts like that to another thread. And it just clogs up the mod thread. That's why posts like this are deleted from the mod thread.

I get that you don't want it in this thread, but dude, quite a few posters here enjoy the banter, and banter tends to end up in the thread where it was spawned. It's unrealistic to ask posters to move their discussion to a different thread as soon as it strays slightly off topic; this would be easier if the software at least tracked the conversation through to the new thread. I mean, if the rule is that you are going to delete these posts, then it is what it is, but I'm just giving you my view on this.

Between the arbitrary movements and deletions, even of moderation discussion, to the continuing shifting goal posts regarding what is allowed, you sure have a funny way of showing it.

I personally find posters that continually complain about moderation to be annoying, so I will stop before I start cringing at my own posts. This is your little fiefdom; do whatever you want with it.

I appreciate your view, and I understand about the banter. And in any other thread I wouldnt have deleted it. The mod thread is different. So while you may have thought your banter was fun, for me and other mods it means it adds significant time to an already time consuming job. We cant tell a post is a valid mod post or banter until we read it.

You may think that your 8 or so posts are no big deal, but multiply that times several other posters and it turns into a large number of posts clogging up the mod thread. So yes, I am telling everyone to keep the banter out of the mod thread. That's the only thread of the dozens of threads we have that Im requiring this in. It's really not that great a sacrifice to ask people to keep what they believe is just a minor derail out of a single thread. Its not the end of banter everywhere else in the forum.

The tradeoff Im asking for is just for posters to recognize that the banter they enjoy in every other thread, when done in the mod thread, creates a burden on the mods that outweighs the temporary fun of an humorous exchange. Especially when you consider that many times mods cant follow postings in real time, so a few days of banter may accumulate in the mod thread so the mod may face having to read dozens of banter-like posts just to find a handful of actual mod questions that require his attention.

I appreciate your point of view and I welcome you sharing it. In this particular case I ask you to appreciate the mods point of view as well.

Thanks

Fair enough, taken on board.

None of post moves or deletions I made have been arbitrary. And it's sort of disingenuous of you to cite the movement of mod related posts as if it was by design. As you well know, when you first surfaced that concern, I went back and looked, admitted I had accidentally moved some mod related posts in a group of non mod related posts to another thread. I apologized and moved them back.

I dont believe I have shifted any goal posts regarding what is allowed. Every mod has their own approach, and each has his own time constraints, but we all adhere to the overall site rules. I think I have made it pretty clear upfront, esp concerning the mod thread, what is allowed there. The other mods made multiple requests for people to not use the mod thread as a catch all general discussion thread. So nothing new there.

I’ve read your statements and I‘ve seen your actions, guess which speaks louder?

So, I've been back modding about 48 hours. Which actions of mine have you seen that lead you to believe the bolded part? I havent seen any post reports from you indicating that you believe there are any inappropriate posts made since I returned that I should examine. It's just not practical for me to go back and try and read through all the recent past posts. The trans visibility thread, for example, just in the last week, has 480 posts. The Palestine War thread about 430. Just to read back 1 week in just 2 threads is almost 1000 posts. So mods have to rely on posters to report posts they have concerns about.

Browser, this is an adult forum. There are no children here. I presume the original reason behind the profanity filter was that this site used to have advertisers, which it no longer has. In any case, I think deleting/editing out posts with images containing profanity is overdoing it a bit. You're the first moderator of this forum in the 10 years I have been here that I have seen do this.

Nonetheless, appreciate your editing the post rather than just ninja deleting it.

I have seen other mods do it ( though not in this subforum). That's how I became aware of the process. Here is the reason I did it. This is from the rules put in place and approved by the new owners, the same ones who did away with advertising.

So that's why I deleted the image. I thought by retyping the caption verbatim allowed the profanity filter to kick in while still getting your point across.

Should the owners issue new guidance or choose to eliminate the profanity filter I will implement that immediately.

I have always thought it was silly to replace some of the letters of a word with asterisks, but leave enough of the letters to make it clear what the word originally was.