Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread

Posts that are disrespectful and imply trans people aren't truly trans are not allowed. This includes saying things such as that transgender is a mental illness, putting trans in quotes, and referring to gender surgeries as genital mutilation. Do not respond to this asking questions that try to figure out where the exact boundary is between an acceptable and unacceptable post. The line is blurry, and that conversation is extremely tedious and unproductive.

Great, now that you acknowledge it, you can stop lying you don't attack people, so.

i think it shows your bias when you also don't outright say that when someone asks what caitlyn jenner's opinion on the subject is and another person responds with what is actually should not be met with a slew of insults in addition to boiler plate transphobe accusations

what i just mentioned just happened literally just happened and resulted in an actual temp ban

but instead you post asking people to agree with your stance on something quie abstract not reprimand the people being so rude and insulting that it necessitated a temp ban - which side is the disrespectful on in recent posting again? and yet it's the other side that you're warning. "you're a bigot and a transphobe" is a standard boiler plate response used here to refute any facts and reality - see greg's thing where he opted to go with his make believe version of esports rather than pay attention to any facts i put forward on it because "i'm just a hateful transphobe to be ignored"

i really like you gansta, i love seeing your input and think you make great contributions to this thread

but it's too close to home for you to be modding this one objectively imo

Just accept the reality if you do not believe children should make lifetime decisions about their bodies that are not reversable or that biological men should not compete against women or invade their safe spaces your a trans phobe . Its sad we cant have an adult conversation on the topic which includes mental health .

I moved the discussion about motorcycle accidents and taking on 5 year olds to the general discussion thread. While interesting, it already blew up into 22 post derail. And I cant be a hypocrite and let it stay clogging up the mod thread even though I started the derail in the first place.

it's a bs double standard that having anything other than their specific interpretation on something that is very abstract and subjective gives them carte blanche to insult and degrade however they see fit

and yet the mods are more focused people towing the line with the correct perspective instead of stopping people from being @ssholes

so much self righteous indignation it's just disgusting and i'm very disappointed in you gansta because it's extremely clear you've picked a side and are modding along those lines

i strongly believe if karl was smart enough to keep his string of insults to only calling me a bigot and a transphobe despite that the only thing i did was answer a question someone asked over what caitlyn jenner's perspective was then he'd be getting a pat on the back instead of a temp ban

just a reminder, this is what a bigot is

it's the very people calling me a bigot who are the ones fulfilling all those traits, yet greg is not warned against being an asshat nor are people warned against randomly insulting others

instead we're given a reminder that there is only one correct interpretation over something wildly subjective and controversial and not even remotely "solved" which is insanity

i'm onboard with being respectful and polite and feel like i've met those obligations fully and without being told to do so and yet am bombarded with constant hateful comments and insults simply because my interpretation is different

i never once said anything negative about lia, i never "misgendered" her, i never "deadnamed" her, i simply stated it was wrong for her to compete against cisgender women

i'm even going out of my way to use cisgender here specifically, it's a word i think is nonsense, i should be able to say women, but i'm making that allowance for the sake avoiding a de facto back and forth and unproductive discussion on "but she is a woman" and "no, she's a trans woman"

likewise, i'm sure the pitchforks are already out because i put two of those words up above in quotes because again, i find them absurd concepts to begin with

lia is a woman, her name is lia, i have nothing against her, she can do and identify as she pleases - these are all my genuine thoughts and feelings that are not the product of mod conditioning - yet because i don't think it's fair for her to compete against cisgender women and don't view her as a woman but as a transwoman then i'm apparently worse than hitler, or perhaps, even worse than victor 😀

I made that post in response to a poster who has since been banned and all his posts deleted. I did so so that I could leave up the post but indicate that it wasn't acceptable so others wouldn't continue to make those same mistakes.

A different mod dealt with the issue that you brought up and chose a different approach. Things are not inconsistent because of the views being espoused, but because different mods dealing with them in different ways at different times.

And yes, as mods we have chosen a side in this issue. This wasn't done without thought or discussion. We $on't give every side of every issue of voice when it's felt to be incorrect and disrespectful (eg Holocaust denial). I gave this thread a chance to be modded differently and I don't think it was for the better. It empowered some people to be troll and be disrespectful.

we shouldn't allow these threads to exist then if only one interpretation is allowed - otherwise, it becomes nothing more than a bully pulpit

if moderation only allows for one view to be considered correct and anyone who deviates from that can be freely insulted then those threads do nothing but cause strife and division and lead to conflict and bannings

we should never allow any threads on trans issues at all

either have a neutral platform where both sides need to be respectful or none at all

absolutely disgusting you're ok with this as it stands and that you're equating this to holocaust denial

no there's nothing that can be discussed if the outcome has already been determined from up on high and anyone who insults those who view things differently is given immunity

this is just nothing more than a trap to allow angry people to lash out and insult people freely

why has greg not been temp banned for calling me a bigot? why hasn't trolly? why haven't the others?

no, that's still terrible, reason being is it's not something that actually happens, that's how different that is and that's the level of absurdity behind it

nowhere in the history of mankind has there ever been a "well maybe they are gay because women don't want them"

and frankly, c'mon now, everyone knows if women could magically make all gay men straight they would do so in a heartbeat - the average gay man, despite being gay, is way more attractive of a dating option and generally in far better shape, much better dressed, nicer, etc etc - all my gay friends growing up absolutely slayed when they were closeted and were the apple of most girl's eyes despite that those guys ironically only did it to keep up appearances while they figured things out on their own schedule

what would be an appropriate analogy because it exists in the real world, much like what's going on right now, would be if say perhaps the moderators here were all devout muslims and subconsciously also invited only other muslims to be moderators as well

and as a result of this muslim bias, they forbid any depictions of muhammad on the site because they did not believe that to be correct

yet because 2p2 is not moderated by a bunch of fanatical muslims, posting this is just fine despite that millions of people around the world, a population which is orders of magnitude larger than those that stand in line with 2p2's official trans stance would all be livid at me posting this image, but that's ok because you guys don't happen to be fanatical muslims, and frankly, who cares about their opinion because they are also probably transphobes amirite

moreover - this isn't even you guys saying don't post photos of muhammad, you're insisting that i acknowledge and accept islam as the one true faith. i'm not allowed to say "i'm happy for you that you've found happiness in islam, but it's not for me and i disagree with a lot of your basic tenets despite that you hold them as immutable truth"

The gay male ethos is that you can never be too rich or too skinny.

It's interesting that this discussion was moved into this thread.

Out of the twenty most recent threads in our forum, there are five devoted to trans issues. Five echo chambers where the biggest trolls in this forum have free reign to insult anybody that does not tow the company line, with no consequence, and punishing anybody that may have a differing opinion on a current-day political issue.

Ganstaman, you know better than to respond with such ridiculous points as comparing this to Holocaust Denial or the completely ridiculous "you can talk about trans dating!" I get that being a mod results in making some people unhappy, but you don't have to stoop to insult the intelligence of the posters in this forum.

You people have already stated your positions regarding trans issues and have said that discussion to the contrary is now allowed. End of story. Don't pretend that discussion is even allowed anymore when the mods have explicitly stated they are not allowing discussion on the matter, unless of course it is in agreement with a specific mod's opinions on the matter.

I don't even have any particularly strong feelings on trans issues. Still, I am not sure how anybody that participates in this forum can be happy with the constant hostility from the mods on this issue. The only people that can be happy are the powerless nits that use it as an opportunity to bully other posters and feel better about themselves.

Am I still allowed to say that gender isn't real?

yeah my natural default visualization of others here are overweight middle aged white people struggling to tap out letters on their samsung galaxy with their fat little fingers while sitting on the couch with his family after eating mediocre casserole and watching young sheldon

they reveal they are gay and i suddenly imagine their personal assistant had typed out a dictated response on their behalf because they are too occupied standing shirtless on the deck of their yacht in the mediterranean, letting the sun glisten against their abs as they look out on the horizion, contemplating their wild summers of their youth on fire island as they are given a fresh banana daiquiri carefully made by eduardo according to his specific tastes, perhaps eduardo would like to experience fire island, yes, that would be nice, let's hoist the anchor and set sail

Its bc just like this post of yours the discussion is about how trans issues are moderated. So the move doesnt seem particularly interesting tome.

That is just false, with the exception being if you want to argue that just being a transgender person is in itself a mental illness. Thenyou are correct. If you need to say you believe all transgender people by definition are mentally ill, go say it somewhere else.

But if you want to debate issues such as :

Should trans women be allowed to participate in women category sports? Does age matter, or whether it is pro or amateur?

Should transgender people be forced to use the bathrooms/locker rooms of their sex as assigned at birth or the one of the gender they identify as and present themselves as? Does age affect that policy?

Should States be able to pass laws prohibiting teachers from even acknowledging the existence of transgender people? Should they be expected/required to address transgender students by their desired pronouns?

Should an employer be able to fire an employee who was considered a great employee on Monday but comes out as transgender on Tuesday simply because they are transgender?

Should minors be able to get gender affirming treatments? With or without parents consent? Some treatments but not others? Is it the role of the State governments to make that call or doctors and parents?

Should there be restrictions allowed in medical insurance coverage, government or private that prohibit payment for gender affirming surgery?

Should transgender people be allowed to serve openly in the military?

Which category of prisons should transgender people be assigned to?

So you are certainly free to debate these questions and others without concern for bans as long as you adhere to the forum rules that apply to all discussions, with the exception of using the position that all transgender people are mentally ill. There is plenty of leeway for debate and the expression of opposite opinions. Unless someone isnt really interested in these topics at all, and instead is just looking for ways to push the mental illness agenda, they can debate in good faith.

That is oddly specific. I like it though.

Only a mentally ill person would say that. Not that there is anything wrong with being mentally ill. 😉

That seems familiar to me. But at the end of that scene the picture cuts to a bottle of some mens perfume with an ambiguous yet clearly European accented voice stating the name of the perfume and the company that makes it. Like " Brow Ser' by DIOR"

Those questions are very boring and I don't think most here care about that sort of stuff. More interesting would be:

What is the nature of gender? Does gender even exist at all?

What would Freud think about trans?

How much does childhood abuse and repressed homosexuality drive transgenderism?

Should people be worried that gay kids will be pushed to transition when they are really just gay?

Etc. These would actually make interesting discussion. Hopefully no one cares about bathrooms.

how much does repressed transgenderism drive homosexuality?

those Iowa sex ed books were a revelation.

Congrats, I think this might be your first post that does not include the term "Palestinian babies" in quite some months.

This is just false. We have already seen you ban people in the last few days for completely arbitrary reasons, so give us a break with the whole "just follow the rules" spiel. You want to use your mod status to steer conversation in a direction that conforms with your political beliefs. You aren't even the first mod of this forum that has done so. Just own it.

Alright, well now I think you're gay!