Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread
Hello everyone. I've closed the previous mod thread, and opened this to capture all issues related to moderation policies and actions going forward. I'll kick it off by reposting my intro post from the other thread. Again, I'm happy to be here and look forward to hearing from you.
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Hello everyone.
I'm very pleased to have the opportunity to serve as a moderator in Politics and Society. I asked for this position because I believe we are experiencing a polarization in our politics and society unseen since the 1960s. We may well be at a juncture from which we will either make great progress or suffer great setbacks in regards to our democratic foundations and civil rights over the next few years. So I believe it is important to maintain a forum for discussing these important topics. When the other mods had to step back a bit due to their real life time obligations, I asked to join the mod team to help keep the forum going.
I have not followed this forum in the past, though I have been reading through threads the last few days and made a few posts. This has allowed me to get a sense of the initial impression the forum likely makes on new readers who are deciding if our forum is a place they would like to visit regularly and participate in. While I see some familiar names from the live poker forum, many of you I have not had any interaction with to date. I have no preconceived notions of anyone's posting behavior and will essentially start from a clean slate.
I will shortly post more about my modding approach and give my initial impressions of the forum based on my observations over the last several days. I will be soliciting your input on things you like about the forum that you want to remain, and things you don't like that you would like me to change. Your candid input and feedback is very important to me. Especially, please don't hesitate to let me know if you think a policy or a proposal is a bad idea. I'd rather hear it before it goes into effect than after.
My overall modding principle is simple: Be Nice. Disagreement need not be disrespectful, and everyone must be treated with respect. Calling a poster derogatory names or hurling snarky insults never usefully advances a discussion. It just bogs things down and turns off many would be participants. And it's not nice. Don't do it.
My goal is to have a forum where people with a wide variety of opinions along the political spectrum enjoy expressing and debating their views in a spirited manner, free from insults, bigotry and denigrating comments. If you enjoy discussing these important and often polarizing issues in a passionate, yet respectful manner, I look forward to getting to know you and working with you to create a forum people will enjoy visiting and contributing to. You can be as committed, determined and relentless as you like in advocating for your position. Be persuasive, thought provoking and challenging. But be nice.
I want to thank tame_deuces and King Spew for their support in bringing me onboard and for all the time and effort they have put into making the forum better. While I am taking over most of the day to day modding responsibilities, both are retaining their mod status and superpowers, and will be supporting the forum as their availability permits. And I personally welcome their continued advice and feedback.
Again, I am happy to be here and look forward to getting to know you.
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it's relevant to discuss again because jmitch didn't give max the complete story and thus max was tricked into thinking it was a post about self defense
jmitch should be demodded for that and max should report the incident to the authorities
this is just so facked up, i can't believe this and am disgusted by this non response and coverup for an old friend of jmitch
from Max:
So, this is my thought process: The man in question threatens only when speaking about his personal safety. For example:
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"If someone comes to my property trying to cause me harm,"
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"If anyone comes onto my property, I WILL know. If I see anyone on my property, I will immediately call the police, and they will surely be completely useless. If anyone tries to or succeeds in breaking into my house, I WILL IMMEDIATELY ****ING
Rick, any decision about whether ownership reports this to the authorities will be made by ownership, so posting about it in a Politics thread is going to have zero impact. Same goes for your really odd idea of demodding someone over this. I'm not sure what makes you think Max was unable to read the relevant posts himself, which from what I understand, he did.
no, i stand by my actions
2p2 failing to act here is beyond facked
rick, you gotta understand that you are not part of the inside crew. no matter how heinous actions by some users are, they will always be protected. listen to bobbo and shut your mouth and play your role.
we literally ban long time users for using the word sodomite
but when people go on unhinged rants threatening to repeatedly kill and rape others, idolizing serial killers, posting photos of themselves fully armed with assault rifles, admitting to raping children and shooting dogs
that's ok, because at one point they used to post interesting quips about being in a band
no, i'm hoping you guys be reasonable and mention the stuff like admitting to murdering his neighbors dogs and threatening to kill and rape others (repeatedly by the way, it wasn't that single post) to the authorities
let them decide if it's a nothing burger
better yet, why don't you disclose to me why you guys don't think you should report that? what do you have to lose by doing so? what is the upside in not reproting it?
How are you going to live with yourself if there's a mass shooting in the next 6 months committed by him and you failed to act?
these are classic warning signs, nearly every single serial killer and mass shooter exhibited the same behavior and did things like shooting dogs before they upgraded to people - most of them left behind the exact paper trail of social media posts that lirva has left behind
I've told you who makes the decision in that regard. I don't own the site, and thus wouldn't be reporting what someone posted on my site. You and I are the same in this regard, and have the same ability to report it ourselves if we feel the situation warrants it.
bobo, if someone were to repeatedly call and text you threatening to kill you and rape your wife and included photos of themself decked out in assault rifles while quoting charles manson are you going to not take that seriously as well so long as the person prefaces some of it with "if you come at me" despite that prior to saying "if you come at me" they say that you've already come at me
is that ok?
in what world is are repeated threats like that to you, backed up by photos, going to be taken seriously by yourself?
what level does it need to reach in order for you to alert the authorities?
I've told you who makes the decision in that regard. I don't own the site, and thus wouldn't be reporting what someone posted on my site. You and I are the same in this regard, and have the same ability to report it ourselves if we feel the situation warrants it.
dm me the location of his ip address and i'll contact them then
you miss the point, i can't just email every single police station in oklahoma, i need a jurisdiction, i don't need his physical address, just the town he posted from
you miss the point, i can't just email every single police station in oklahoma, i need a jurisdiction, i don't need his physical address, just the town he posted from
Would this not be a matter for the FBI, who would sort that out? I'm certainly not going to be sending you anyone's IP addresses; you're welcome to see if Max feels differently, but that seems unlikely.
WTF are you talking about? Of course those were your words, misrepresenting what I said to rickroll. I didn't say, or imply, that rickroll should "shut your mouth and play your role". Rickroll's welcome to voice his opinion, I'm just letting him know that the decision he's trying to influence is Max's, and this isn't a great venue to do so.
I never said you said that. that is my advice and solely my advice. you are the one misrepresenting.
no, i'm hoping you guys be reasonable and mention the stuff like admitting to murdering his neighbors dogs and threatening to kill and rape others (repeatedly by the way, it wasn't that single post) to the authorities
let them decide if it's a nothing burger
better yet, why don't you disclose to me why you guys don't think you should report that? what do you have to lose by doing so? what is the upside in not reproting it?
How are you going to
rickroll,
LirvA has been perma'd. I don't know management, but from what I can see, they now have been made aware of everything LirvA posted. They will make whatever decisions they make with regard to next steps, but continuing to discuss this issue in the Politics moderation thread isn't going to accomplish anything.
Would this not be a matter for the FBI, who would sort that out? I'm certainly not going to be sending you anyone's IP addresses; you're welcome to see if Max feels differently, but that seems unlikely.
no, it would be more relevant to the police who are already in suspicion that he shot those dogs and investigating him about that
we could say - hey you know that guy you are investigating for shooting his neighbors dogs, well guess what he admitted to it online as well as threatened to rape and kill people
I did try googling to see if I saw any stories about dogs being killed by shotguns in Oklahoma-- and while it has (not super surprisingly) happened in the past-- I couldn't find anything recent, so it's entirely possible he was just making that up.
so i guess the lesson here is you can threaten to rape and kill whomever you please on this site and shoot any dogs you please so long as you don't directly threaten to rape or kill a mod or kill the dogs of a mod then you'll be a-ok and at worst just get banned from posting under your old account
I did try googling to see if I saw any stories about dogs being killed by shotguns in Oklahoma-- and while it has (not super surprisingly) happened in the past-- I couldn't find anything recent, so it's entirely possible he was just making that up.
vast majority of that stuff would not go reported in the news and a lot of those local media outlets which would report such a thing do not have an online presence and/or suck at seo so it's basically impossible to find anyway
